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Title: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on March 19, 2011, 06:09:18 PM
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Interpreting the PG and VG % boxes and where to put what.


The first line is for the unflavored Nicotine eLiquid. It can be purchased with a number of PG/VG based percentages and strengths. Three boxes are provided for that info.
If you use Nicotine already at your desired strength, enter the strength in the Nic Strength box and 0 in the Target box.
If you are mixing Zero Nic and flavors only, enter 0 in both the Nic Strength and Target Nic box.

The second line has a box for what Nicotine strength you would like your final result to be after adding all of your ingredients.

The third line (Amount to Make) is self explanatory.

The forth line (Water/Vodka/PGA) is also self explanatory. I rarely use this. PGA is Pure Grain Alcohol

The fifth through the ninth line is for the flavoring you are adding. I rarely use more than 20% flavoring, mostly 12 to 20% and that depends on the potency of the flavoring. If you're using more than 1 flavor, they should all add up to the percentage I mentioned. NOT 20% each but say 10% + 10% for two flavors.
NOTE: PG% and the VG%: most flavoring is PG based. In that case you would put 100% in the PG box. What you put in the PG or VG box is deducted from the amount of PG/VG you add which cuts the Nic down to the Target Strength.
There are only a couple of companies who do not use PG or VG so you can check the Flavor Zero PG/VG box on the Flavoring row.

When buying PG and VG, stay away from pre-mix PG/VG. Buy a separate bottle of pure PG (Propylene Glycol USP) and a separate bottle of pure VG (Vegetable Glycerin USP). The calculator can not accurately use a pre-mix PG/VG.

Further down there is a Target PG and VG.
The PG% and VG% boxes are to change the final eJuice PG/VG out come. In other words, what you want your eJuice to be.
If you receive a warning pop up to add VG or PG that is because the calculator came up with a negative number. Adjustments will have to be made. Say you have a negative for PG, you will then make the PG% higher until it shows 0.

Save your recipe.  You need to "File", "Save" recipes. Recipes are saved with a ".rec" extension.
A ".dft" file is not a recipe format but rather a Default setting file. A Default file is when you open the EJMU calculator and your preferred settings will be automatically there.
Recipes should be saved in the folder in which the software was installed in.
Opening up recipes should be done via the software. "File", "Open" and not by clicking on the files themselves.

Up on the Menu, "File", "Save As Default", you can now Save your settings as a default which will load your settings when the program first opens. You can create several default files by naming them what ever you like. Note: on start up, the Default.dft file will be called first. DO NOT use this to save recipes!
The button at the bottom which use to be "Rest" is now called "Get Default" will open a Dialog box to select a Default file that you saved.

(http://ejuice.breaktru.com/images/ejuice_perc.jpg)You may find some recipes in a Forum listed in Percentages totaling 100%
This form of percentage does not tell you how much (how strong) to add to your recipe.
It's easy using equal percentages but the calculator is more helpful when using unequal percentages.



**GRAM WEIGHT**
When you first start up eJuice Me Up before entering a recipe, enter your gram weights that you measured out and click on: "File", "Save as Default". Keep the file name as "Default.dft".
This way each time you create a recipe the gram weights will be intact.



(http://ejuice.breaktru.com/images/ejuice_nic.jpg)

(http://breaktru.com/temp/6volts.jpg)
Enter two known values to calculate the two remaining values.
Note:
When using with a voltage regulator, I would like to point out that your current / wattage maybe limited to the maximum capability of what the regulator can output. So because the calculations say a particular value, that does not mean that you are actually getting the values shown. Check your regulators Spec Sheet.

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Epsilon Posted this great pdf over at ECF: http://ejuice.breaktru.com/ejmutut.pdf (http://ejuice.breaktru.com/ejmutut.pdf)

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What is the Warning Pop-Up Window about Negative Amounts?
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Posted by mikespiked
I usually make almost 100% VG juices... the only PG is the flavorings... but I've had a hard time using the calculator when trying to do this. (see the attatched picture) If I input 100% VG for nic base and 100% PG for flavoring, it will still ask me to put in PG to the mix, and if I dont I get an error. I could just be doing something wrong though. Any help would be much appreciated.
The calculations are correct. A neg PG amount was generated because of the added total of 15% PG in your 2 flavoring.
Put 17.5% PG in the PG result as shown in the Pix below. This is the TRUE result due to the PG in the flavoring.
(http://breaktru.com/temp/add_pg.jpg)

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Posted by Randyrtx
See below... getting a similar problem with a 100% PG mix using 5% water. Where's the VG coming from?
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j442/Randyrtx/ECF/ad9038a1.png)

Because you are adding 5% in the Water/Vodka/PGA box. 5% is equally deducted from PG (2.5%) and VG (2.5%) Result equally. It's the VG 2.5% that's giving the neg result.

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Using Flavoring with NO PG or VG.
A new version has been released on 9/2/11 with options to check off ZERO PG/VG for flavoring.
Most name brand flavoring should be 100% PG but the option was added for a couple of brands with no PG/VG.
You can over install it and it will perform an upgrade to your existing version.
You're recipes will remain and not lost.
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Version Update Info:
http://ejuice.breaktru.com/update_history.txt (http://ejuice.breaktru.com/update_history.txt)
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Search recipes for flavors you have or want to use: Search Flavors (http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,205.msg3751.html#msg3751)

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Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: horton on March 19, 2011, 07:06:28 PM
Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!    Your post really helps clarify using the program..... Thank you very much!!!!!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: asnider123 on March 19, 2011, 08:42:22 PM
Hi, excellent program, having problems printing. Gives following error when I try to print card:

Application has generated an error that could not be handled
Process ID=0x15c0 (5568), Thread ID=0x11e8 (4584)

I am running win7pro. Any idea how to solve this prob? Thanks
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on March 19, 2011, 09:24:15 PM
Hi, excellent program, having problems printing. Gives following error when I try to print card:

Application has generated an error that could not be handled
Process ID=0x15c0 (5568), Thread ID=0x11e8 (4584)

I am running win7pro. Any idea how to solve this prob? Thanks

Al, do you see the Printer Property Window or does the error generate immediately?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: melissajo61 on March 23, 2011, 06:37:29 PM
how do I download the calculator?? Im a newbie and having problems
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on March 23, 2011, 06:50:30 PM
Hi MelissaJo,
how do I download the calculator?? Im a newbie and having problems

Hi MelissaJo, The direct link is: http://breaktru.com/ejuicemeup.zip
After downloading the zip file, either open the zip or extract it to a temp folder.
Then double click the setup.exe file to install the calculator.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: vaperkarma on March 28, 2011, 06:09:08 PM
I like the easy tutorial, it cleared up a few questions I had.
BTW, this program rocks. I have it opened on my desktop for quick reference.
Thank you for allowing us to use it for free.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Haileah on April 15, 2011, 07:28:55 PM
I have been using this calculator since version 1 and it just keeps getting better.
I'm sending recipes via email breaktru.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: rrtwister on May 10, 2011, 10:01:51 AM
I like Epsilons pdf on the eJuice Calculator.
Very informative. I'm sure it will help others with questions that they may have (you have to log on to ECF):

Instructional PDF:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/attachments/diy-e-liquid/31418d1299349575-i-need-help-breaktru-e-calcultor-9-0-version-ejmutut.pdf (http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/attachments/diy-e-liquid/31418d1299349575-i-need-help-breaktru-e-calcultor-9-0-version-ejmutut.pdf)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: elzakivis on May 28, 2011, 11:39:36 AM
I have used all of the calculators and this is by far the best.
I was led to this site from several ecig forums and found that members claim that this is the most sophisticated calc and best.
I seen "eJuice me up? on the Aussie, UK, ECF, International, Thai, Danish forums by goggling around.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on July 06, 2011, 08:23:22 AM
I notice that a few user's of the eJuice Me Up calculator are miss-interpreting the Flavoring PG/VG ratios.
The PG/VG boxes next to the 5 flavoring lines are suppose to be for the base ingredient of the flavor and not the desired ratio.
Example: most flavoring contains PG, so 100% is required in the PG box next to the flavor.
You may want to view the "How to" post that will explain the boxes in the first post above.
Also, ECF member Epsilon has created a pdf which may be more explanatory: http://ejuice.breaktru.com/ejmutut.pdf
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: ronlitton on July 17, 2011, 07:58:09 AM
How do I resize the eJuice window to fit on my netbook's smaller screen?  As it is now, it's too big to display, and I can't get to the click boxes at the bottom of the window, so I can't use the calculator on my netbook, and have to wait until I get home to my desktop computer.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: missyvape on July 17, 2011, 08:38:14 AM
How do I resize the eJuice window to fit on my netbook's smaller screen?  As it is now, it's too big to display, and I can't get to the click boxes at the bottom of the window, so I can't use the calculator on my netbook, and have to wait until I get home to my desktop computer.

Hit the Maximize button up at the top right hand corner. Then you will see a scroll bar to the far right hand part of the window.
Scroll up and down.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: vaperkarma on October 21, 2011, 07:32:57 AM
I have found that if I'm mixing more than one recipe, I can open multiple windows by clicking on the Desktop Icon again and have side to side calculator recipes opened. Neat!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on October 21, 2011, 08:07:24 AM
Yes VK, you found my little secret.
Sometimes I mix 5 bottles/recipes at once. Open five instances of eJuice Me Up and place them side by side in order of the five bottles laid out in front of me.
This way I can do all the Nic filling at the same time. Then on to the PG, then VG. Much faster that way.

**CAUTION**
Just be aware of what you are doing and DON'T get distracted especially when filling with Nicotine. You don't want to accidentally add a double dose of Nic.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Judeep27 on December 06, 2011, 02:02:10 AM
Wow!what a calculator!It has many uses and very high tech.This is my 1t time to see a calculator as powerful as this!

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Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on December 06, 2011, 08:59:37 AM
Wow!what a calculator!It has many uses and very high tech.This is my 1t time to see a calculator as powerful as this!

WARNING! Judeep27
Please explain yourself... Before I ban you for posting what looks like spam of an importing company in China, using a Philippians IP address and using a profile with a Florida USA location....


Update: Member has been banned and spam removed  :no:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: lulu836 on December 27, 2011, 04:57:17 PM
I guess I'm a little slow on the uptake with your great calculator.  My problem in understanding is with the percentages breakdown when using more than one flavoring.  If I have a receipe that calls for 3 flavors such as 12%, 4% and 4% do I then break it down to 3,1 and 1?  That is assuming that I have made all the correct entries for diluting 36mg/ml nicjuice to 10mg/ml and substituting the 50-50 PG/VG for 80/20?

What I'm making even after steeping for 10 days bears no resemblence in flavor to what it is supposed to be and it seems to be a little too thick which has to be the PG %.  I would really appreciate your help.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on December 27, 2011, 05:24:54 PM
I guess I'm a little slow on the uptake with your great calculator.  My problem in understanding is with the percentages breakdown when using more than one flavoring.  If I have a receipe that calls for 3 flavors such as 12%, 4% and 4% do I then break it down to 3,1 and 1?  That is assuming that I have made all the correct entries for diluting 36mg/ml nicjuice to 10mg/ml and substituting the 50-50 PG/VG for 80/20?

What I'm making even after steeping for 10 days bears no resemblence in flavor to what it is supposed to be and it seems to be a little too thick which has to be the PG %.  I would really appreciate your help.

12%, 4% and 4% is correct.
Post what you have and what you want it to be and I'll post an image of it in the calculator.
Include your 36mg Nic. Is it VG or PG and what percent is it. Sounds like you are saying it's 50/50?
I didn't know your final Amount so I used 10ml
What brand Flavoring is it? That would tell me if it's 100% PG or not.

As far as taste goes, a little experimenting with flavoring may be in order.
Thick? it shouldn't be thick if it's 80% PG.

See attached.........
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: horton on December 27, 2011, 06:01:26 PM
I agree with Breaktru about the multiple flavorings.  It can be a "crap shoot" at times.  Sometimes a combination of flavors that you think will taste one way comes out completely different.  It all boils down to how those little molecules get along together in your juice.  Just stop and consider how many different molecules are in just a single flavor juice and go from there.  The more flavors  you add, the number of different combinations goes vertical.     
What I do many times is to start out with just one of the flavors and see how it tastes.  Then I'll add in some of flavor number 2 and check the taste.  Right then, with the two flavors  you will be able to tell if that particular combination is taking you in the right direction or not.  If it is, add the third flavor and give another taste.   Again, you will then see how the third flavor "plays" with the first two. 
Many times I end up adjusting the %'s even though in my mind I feel a certain combination of flavors should taste a certain way.  You have to keep experimenting and ultimately  you will get just the flavor you are looking for.  It may be completely different from your initial %'s. 
Using a drip tip can be very handy for mixing multiple flavors or single flavors for that matter.  With the drip tip, you can make smaller batches of juice and not waste the valuable nic juice or any other component for that matter.  You are only using a few drops at a time rather than filling a carto or cartridge with every change.   You also may notice a difference in the final mix between dripping and say a CE2 or a Boge carto.  Every device gives a slightly different vape and flavor.
Hope this little "tome" helped you...... horton -- out
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on December 27, 2011, 07:25:52 PM
Thank you Horton for your expert comment to this issue.
It makes a lot sense especially about combining flavors.

lulu, did my attached image of the calc help in any way? If you click on it, you will be able to see it better.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: horton on December 27, 2011, 09:31:20 PM
Glad I could be of service.   
Making your own juice (to me) is an absolute blast.   Sometimes you  come up with a real winner, and all of the time you  have fun AND learn even if a "creation" doesn't quite come out the way you anticipated. 
I became so tired of buying juice based on the description written by a vendor (s),  which made the juice sound mouth watering, only to get the bottle and be very disappointed.  I figured I could disappoint myself just as well and for less money to boot!! lol  That's honestly  how I got into making my own juice.   It can be very satisfying to make a juice with your own two little hands that you want to vape all day.  It's sort of like tying flies or building a fishing rod and then catching a fish on that fly and rod combo you made.  What a very satisfying experience.
If you shop around a little, it isn't all that costly to get into DIY juice making.  I hope it's OK to mention a site, but DIYFlavorShack sells some very nice starter kits that have everything you need to get up and running all in one box.  What could be easier than that?  I bought my kit from Dawn and have been a mad scientist ever since.....lol.  Of course, I went crazy buying flavorings from all over the place and  I could probably make 50 gallons of juice right now!!  Once you have the basics, you then can start to selectively shop for deals.  There have been some fantastic deals on unflavored nic juice recently for example.  You only need to sign up at the different vendor sites and get on their mailing lists.  It's amazing how often and how many sales there are.
Once again, I've probably bored you to death with my over exuberance.  I'll just say one last thing (maybe).... you won't go wrong using Breaktru's fine calculator and some imagination to come up with  very tasty juices of your own.  And don't let one bum batch get you down (give it to someone you don't like --- just joking).  My juice may not come in pretty bottles (that's a topic for another day), but it sure tastes good and my wife and I enjoy it every day.     horton -- out           
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: lulu836 on December 28, 2011, 02:27:05 AM
12%, 4% and 4% is correct.
Post what you have and what you want it to be and I'll post an image of it in the calculator.
Include your 36mg Nic. Is it VG or PG and what percent is it. Sounds like you are saying it's 50/50?
I didn't know your final Amount so I used 10ml
What brand Flavoring is it? That would tell me if it's 100% PG or not.

As far as taste goes, a little experimenting with flavoring may be in order.
Thick? it shouldn't be thick if it's 80% PG.

See attached.........

Thanks for the reply.  You got it right with the info I gave but I'm afraid I didn't give all the info.  I use 100% PG unflavored nicjuice.  So I change the 50/50 at the top of the calculator to 100% and go from there.  The flavoring is all from The Perfumer's (Flavor) Apprentice which I assume is 100% PG.  I just don't know when to use the percentages posted in any recipe and when it is necessary to go to the flavoring breakdown. 
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on December 28, 2011, 07:42:59 AM
Yes flavoring would be 100% PG.
For "Flavoring Percentage" (breakdown), see the OP (original post) up top. Next to the image of the F.P. is an explanation.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on January 08, 2012, 10:00:42 AM
I hope that the German Translate was correct.
Ich hoffe, dass das deutsche √úbersetzen richtig war.

(http://ejuice.breaktru.com/images/ejuice_german.jpg)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: marlow57 on February 06, 2012, 08:48:29 AM
This is by far the best calculator of the bunch. I use this exclusively.
Note to user's. Take the time to look over the How to. There are a few users who have mistaken what the PG/VG percentages are and confuse the Nic ratio with the target ratio. Also take note of what your flavoring PG/VG ratio is and how that will effect the final target ratio.  :thankyou:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: geothee on February 06, 2012, 08:52:19 AM
This is by far the best calculator of the bunch. I use this exclusively.
Note to user's. Take the time to look over the How to. There are a few users who have mistaken what the PG/VG percentages are and confuse the Nic ratio with the target ratio. Also take note of what your flavoring PG/VG ratio is and how that will effect the final target ratio.  :thankyou:

I agree totally.  :yes"
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on May 13, 2012, 11:03:19 AM
Search for Flavoring

Looking for a recipe to support your flavors on hand?

Use this: Harddisk Search and Stats Freeware software to find it. http://www.harddisksearch.com/ (http://www.harddisksearch.com/)
This program does not need to be installed. Just extract the file contents into a new folder and create a shortcut to the file HDSearchAndStats.exe


(http://breaktru.com/ejuice/images/recipe_search3.jpg)

In the folder line type: C:\Program Files (x86)\Breaktru Software\eJuice Me Up or where ever you installed eJuice Me Up.
In the Tab "Search Input", import file type ".rec" and ".rec2"
Type each flavor on a new line and HDsearch&Stats will search inside the recipe files for your search word or words.

Results:
(http://breaktru.com/ejuice/images/recipe_search1.jpg)
(http://breaktru.com/ejuice/images/recipe_search2.jpg)

Harddrive Search and Stats can be downloaded here: http://www.harddisksearch.com/ (http://www.harddisksearch.com/)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: shirl on May 13, 2012, 06:02:22 PM
Search for Flavoring

Looking for a recipe to support your flavors on hand?

Use this: Harddisk Search and Stats Freeware software to find it.
This program does not need to be installed. Just extract the file contents into a new folder and create a shortcut to the file HDSearchAndStats.exe

Type each flavor on a new line and HDsearch&Stats will search inside the recipe files for your search word or words.

What a fantastic solution. I was going crazy looking for my flavors in a recipe. Now this is heaven.
Thank you sooooo........... much!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: marlow57 on May 13, 2012, 06:06:49 PM
I am using the search software and man what a great feature to be able to find a recipe with a particular flavoring.  :thankyou:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: vaperkarma on May 13, 2012, 06:36:40 PM
Oh yeah! this beats opening recipes to find what's in them  :thumbsup:
Not only that, you can use this software to find anything in any type of file.
Great find breaktru and thanks for the link  :beer-toast:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: elzakivis on May 14, 2012, 07:10:12 PM
Search for Flavoring

Looking for a recipe to support your flavors on hand?

Works great breaktru.  :thumbsup:
This is very useful indeed
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: missyvape on June 07, 2012, 07:18:15 AM
How can I add the new recipes that you add to your recipe page and is it necessary to upgrade to the latest version of eJuice Me Up?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on June 07, 2012, 07:58:16 AM
How can I add the new recipes that you add to your recipe page and is it necessary to upgrade to the latest version of eJuice Me Up?

Recipes:

Info can be found at - Recipe Web Page (http://ejuice.breaktru.com/recipes.html)
Recipe Files For eJuice eLiquid Calculator
WHERE TO PUT IT

Download an ".rec" recipe file and save it to your "eJuice Me Up" folder.
The default installation Folder is:
C:\Program Folders(x86)\Breaktru Software\eJuice Me Up\    
USING DOWNLOAD FILE

Once the ".rec" file is Saved/Copied/Moved to your eJuice folder
you can then open it with eJuice Me Up. "File, Open"
If clicking on the .rec file opens as text, either Right click it and select
"Save Link As" or hold down "Alt" key while left clicking on .rec file.

eMail me your recipe or ".rec" recipe file and I'll put them on the
site for downloading.
Don't forget to give your recipe a Name.

Should I upgrade:
on the eJuice Me Up website Calculator Web Site/ (http://www.ejuice.breaktru.com/) you will see a link called Version History (http://ejuice.breaktru.com/update_history.txt). If only recipes were added for a version newer than yours then upgrading will not be necessary. However, if a feature or fix was added, then yes upgrade.
Title: Printing Q's
Post by: JaneinMesa on August 20, 2012, 08:25:30 PM
I'd like to print the table on 4 x 6 inch notecards.  Am I able to also print the notes?  If so, how?  Great calculator!  Thanks! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on August 20, 2012, 08:41:09 PM
I'd like to print the table on 4 x 6 inch notecards.  Am I able to also print the notes?  If so, how?  Great calculator!  Thanks! :thumbsup:

Just click the "Print Card" button. For notes you have to open the Notes separately and print.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: brettw on October 08, 2012, 02:49:09 PM
I have tried downloading your calculator on my macbook and it dont seem to work when I open the zip folder it opens a text edit window with a bunch of coding. Anyone else had this problem?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: FluGlone on October 08, 2012, 03:07:03 PM
I have tried downloading your calculator on my macbook and it dont seem to work when I open the zip folder it opens a text edit window with a bunch of coding. Anyone else had this problem?

If I'm not mistaken... Mac Books run an OS X operating system and the calculator is a Windows software... unless you have Windows installed on your Mac.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: brettw on October 08, 2012, 03:15:09 PM
ok no I dont well that sucks lol. thank you didnt think of that or realize it.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on October 08, 2012, 03:51:00 PM
ok no I dont well that sucks lol. thank you didnt think of that or realize it.

Sorry Brett. Flu is correct, Windows only software.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: brettw on October 08, 2012, 04:23:05 PM
is there a osx software in works? If not can use regular computer just hate using it lol.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on October 08, 2012, 04:34:29 PM
is there a osx software in works? If not can use regular computer just hate using it lol.

Sorry Brett. No Mac version planned.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: horton on January 20, 2013, 06:25:38 PM
I know I'm interrupting the thread, but I just have to thank you again for this calculator.  I can't tell you how much I rely on the calculator for tweaking new recipes and coming up with new ones.  It is invaluable to me.  Being able to do "what if's" makes doing DIY so much more fun, interesting, and satisfying. 
I don't know how you do all you do - modding, calculator, other software, etc., Dave, but I am so thankful for this wonderful program.  You truly are a huge asset to the vaping community and you have my deepest respect.   horton  aka  Matt
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on January 20, 2013, 07:38:36 PM
I know I'm interrupting the thread, but I just have to thank you again for this calculator.  I can't tell you how much I rely on the calculator for tweaking new recipes and coming up with new ones.  It is invaluable to me.  Being able to do "what if's" makes doing DIY so much more fun, interesting, and satisfying. 
I don't know how you do all you do - modding, calculator, other software, etc., Dave, but I am so thankful for this wonderful program.  You truly are a huge asset to the vaping community and you have my deepest respect.   horton  aka  Matt

Hey Matt,
Thank you so much for your wonderful post. It's great to hear your appreciation. I rely on this calculator immensely myself. I'd be lost without it.
It's rough sometimes trying to all that needs to be done. Especially this time of year with my Payroll Software and the Tax withholding rates for every state.

Glad to be of service to the vaping community. It's my pleasure to help out. I need to add some more recipes. Haven't done that in awhile.

Hope all is well with you and the Mrs.

Regards,
Dave
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: novoleen on February 01, 2013, 05:33:32 PM
I know I'm interrupting the thread, but I just have to thank you again for this calculator.  I can't tell you how much I rely on the calculator for tweaking new recipes and coming up with new ones.  It is invaluable to me.  Being able to do "what if's" makes doing DIY so much more fun, interesting, and satisfying. 
I don't know how you do all you do - modding, calculator, other software, etc., Dave, but I am so thankful for this wonderful program.  You truly are a huge asset to the vaping community and you have my deepest respect.   horton  aka  Matt

Ditto for me
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: scope on February 07, 2013, 03:38:55 AM
Excuse jumping in on this one, my nic base is all PG at 52% nic, so I enter 100% PG in the first box..... then the last box on that line at 52% correct yes?

Target of 28mg nic

Amount 50ml

Flavouring at 20%

PG and VG at a 50 - 50 ratio!

Why the negative error to add more PG? if anything I'd have thought you'd need to add VG? I've read a couple of posts regarding these and it's still not hit the grey cells properly to make sense? I was considering a username of gump! Thank you in advance.

Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on February 07, 2013, 07:50:13 AM
Excuse jumping in on this one, my nic base is all PG at 52% nic, so I enter 100% PG in the first box..... then the last box on that line at 52% correct yes?

Target of 28mg nic
Amount 50ml
Flavouring at 20%

PG and VG at a 50 - 50 ratio!

Why the negative error to add more PG? if anything I'd have thought you'd need to add VG? I've read a couple of posts regarding these and it's still not hit the grey cells properly to make sense? I was considering a username of gump! Thank you in advance.


Hi Scope and welcome to the forum.
Do you mean that the Nic is 52% like in 520mg strength? or was it a typo and you mean 52mg ?

Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on February 07, 2013, 08:36:43 AM
Excuse jumping in on this one, my nic base is all PG at 52% nic, so I enter 100% PG in the first box..... then the last box on that line at 52% correct yes?

Target of 28mg nic
Amount 50ml
Flavouring at 20%

PG and VG at a 50 - 50 ratio!
Why the negative error to add more PG? if anything I'd have thought you'd need to add VG? I've read a couple of posts regarding these and it's still not hit the grey cells properly to make sense? I was considering a username of gump! Thank you in advance.

I am going to assume it's 52mg.

As you mentioned there are posts in the forum about why the neg error. So I'll try to explain it in a simpler way.
You are trying to turn 100% PG into 50% PG. There is not enough dilution volume for the NIC from 52mg to 28mg. Plus you are adding another 20% PG from the flavoring. If the Starting Nic was a higher mg or the Target mg was lower, it can be done.

52mg to 15.6mg w/ 20% PG flavoring, 50/50 can be done.
100mg to 28mg w/ 20% PG flavoring, 50/50 can be done.
52mg to 28 mg w/ 20% PG flavoring, 73.85/26.15 can be done.

So........ with what you have, the Final Ratio of PG/VG would have to be 73.85/26.15
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: scope on February 07, 2013, 08:54:37 AM
Thank you for your help.

So as my Gump head understands it the PG being so high the closest I can get is nearly a 70pg 30vg mix!

So with that in mind would it pay to get the base nicotine in VG instead of PG? Or to get another nic base bottle in VG and halve the two giving a 50-50 nic base ratio!

I trust your familiar with the saying "a little knowledge is dangerous" lol
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on February 07, 2013, 09:06:16 AM
Thank you for your help.

So as my Gump head understands it the PG being so high the closest I can get is nearly a 70pg 30vg mix!

So with that in mind would it pay to get the base nicotine in VG instead of PG? Or to get another nic base bottle in VG and halve the two giving a 50-50 nic base ratio!

I trust your familiar with the saying "a little knowledge is dangerous" lol

That would be a good idea. Mix the 52mg 100% PG NIC w/ a bottle of 52mg 100% VG NIC to get a 50/50 PG/VG.
I buy 50/50 NIC and at 100mg. This way I can adjust to most any need.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: scope on February 07, 2013, 09:22:09 AM
Brilliant thank you!

May pay and be easier to look round for another nic base when I've used my PG supply up but all is much clearer now, thank you again!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: michamer on February 07, 2013, 06:23:37 PM

So as my Gump head understands it the PG being so high the closest I can get is nearly a 70pg 30vg mix!

I trust your familiar with the saying "a little knowledge is dangerous" lol

Run Forest, Run   :laughing2: That was funny.
I can see how it can be confusing. I had a hard time at first with understanding it but I'm pretty confident using it now  :thumbsup:
What breaktru uses, 50/50 100mg is what I switched to because I can swing my ratio either way.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: scope on February 08, 2013, 06:08:10 AM
Yes I'll have to source a good 50/50 100mg from the UK although I think I could be looking at over the pond tbh? Flipping customs ay, well possible?

I've already ordered another bottle of 52mg in VG and that arrived today so happy bunny for now ;-) and I can start to print off my recipes now I know what I'm doing!

Thank you all for your help! much appreciated.!  :beer-toast:
 
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: fiona1592 on February 17, 2013, 09:50:38 PM
Hi I am trying to get the ejuice program on my computer.  I use Mac I have gotten the app for my phone but it looks like there are more options on the computer program.  Is there a version for Mac or can someone tell me how I can get it to run on the mac?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on February 18, 2013, 06:59:22 AM
Hi I am trying to get the ejuice program on my computer.  I use Mac I have gotten the app for my phone but it looks like there are more options on the computer program.  Is there a version for Mac or can someone tell me how I can get it to run on the mac?

Welcome to the forum Fiona.
Sorry but there is no Mac version but......
To run a Windows program on a Mac there are a number of Wine projects that can be installed in OS X, and while some of them can take a bit of configuration to set up, a few are geared toward the Mac and can be installed quite easily. These include CrossOver, Wineskin, and WineBottler, of which CrossOver is the only commercial product, the others being free projects.

WinBottler (http://mac.appstorm.net/how-to/virtualization/run-windows-apps-on-your-mac-free-with-wine-bottler/)
Wineskin (http://wineskin.urgesoftware.com/tiki-index.php?page=Manual)
CrossOver (http://www.codeweavers.com/products/)

Note: Net Framework 3.5 is required to run calculator
.Net Framework 3.5 for Crossover (http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=4662)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: dchillis on March 10, 2013, 12:50:17 AM
I'm new to mixing so bare with me. I considering purchasing 50/50 w/60mg nic. I don't understand how it works with the calculator.
I would like to have my ejuice 10ml  come out as 50PG/50VG and 18mg nicotine with 1 flavor.

What I don't understand is under results it says I have to add 2.5ml PG and 3.5ml VG ????
Do I have to purchase separate PG and VG to add.
uggh confused  :wallbash:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on March 10, 2013, 09:20:41 AM
I'm new to mixing so bare with me. I considering purchasing 50/50 w/60mg nic. I don't understand how it works with the calculator.
I would like to have my ejuice 10ml  come out as 50PG/50VG and 18mg nicotine with 1 flavor.

What I don't understand is under results it says I have to add 2.5ml PG and 3.5ml VG ????
Do I have to purchase separate PG and VG to add.
uggh confused  :wallbash:

Yes dchillis, you have to add PG/VG to dilute the nic strength of 60mg down to 18mg.

This pdf that member @Epsilon made may explain what the boxes represent better: HELP (http://ejuice.breaktru.com/ejmutut.pdf)

Here is a video from Darcy on how to use the calculator:

http://youtu.be/5U7ul9jlSz0 (http://youtu.be/5U7ul9jlSz0)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: horton on March 10, 2013, 12:16:17 PM
Being able to save your recipes -- even test ones -- is a great feature of eJuice Me Up.   Before I discovered Dave's fine program, I was trying to keep a written log of my experiments and recipes and per usual, I eventually forgot to write things down and ended up with a mess trying to remember which flavors I used and how much, etc.  eJuice Me Up is so very intuitive to use and has more features than  you can shake a stick at.  I've been using it exclusively for several years now.  Looked at some others but they did not come close to the quality and features of eJuice Me Up. 
Sorry for jumping in, but just had to let you know what a great calculator it is and you sure can not beat the price.  I thank you again for that, Dave!!!!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: dchillis on March 10, 2013, 12:59:00 PM
After having a little time to read through different posts and getting an idea of how this works it's FANTASTIC  ;cheers; and thank you!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on March 10, 2013, 01:49:38 PM
Being able to save your recipes -- even test ones -- is a great feature of eJuice Me Up.   Before I discovered Dave's fine program, I was trying to keep a written log of my experiments and recipes and per usual, I eventually forgot to write things down and ended up with a mess trying to remember which flavors I used and how much, etc.  eJuice Me Up is so very intuitive to use and has more features than  you can shake a stick at.  I've been using it exclusively for several years now.  Looked at some others but they did not come close to the quality and features of eJuice Me Up. 
Sorry for jumping in, but just had to let you know what a great calculator it is and you sure can not beat the price.  I thank you again for that, Dave!!!!

Thank you so much Matt for your most excellent appreciation comment. I'm thrilled that I can help DIY'ers out.

Best Regards,
Dave / breaktru
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Avamil on March 11, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
After having a little time to read through different posts and getting an idea of how this works it's FANTASTIC  ;cheers; and thank you!

I admit, I first started DIY and was confused with the calculator until I reviewed the How To posts. It is simply the best calculator I have used to date. And believe me I tried them ALL.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Vices on March 28, 2013, 12:38:36 PM
If I have 99.8% nicotine and enter 998 and want  a 70/30 (p/v) target, I don't know how to make sure the pg/vg result is accurate since the 99.8% starter is not cut with pg or vg. Do I leave it set to the default 100% PG or change it to 50-50. Is there a way to zero it? I just want to make sure my base PG/VG is accurate.
Thank you!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on March 28, 2013, 01:28:40 PM
If I have 99.8% nicotine and enter 998 and want  a 70/30 (p/v) target, I don't know how to make sure the pg/vg result is accurate since the 99.8% starter is not cut with pg or vg. Do I leave it set to the default 100% PG or change it to 50-50. Is there a way to zero it? I just want to make sure my base PG/VG is accurate.
Thank you!

Pure Nicotine is poisonous.

Since there is no 0/0 for PG/VG, use 50/50 and 998mg. Set your target ratio to 70/30.

Please be careful handing Pure nicotine. It is extremely dangerous and I do not recommend it's use. Read WARNING (http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,112.msg113.html#msg113)  freaked_out:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Vices on March 28, 2013, 01:52:20 PM
Pure Nicotine is poisonous.

Since there is no 0/0 for PG/VG, use 50/50 and 998mg. Set your target ratio to 70/30.

Please be careful handing Pure nicotine. It is extremely dangerous and I do not recommend it's use. Read WARNING (http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,112.msg113.html#msg113)  freaked_out:

Thank you for the quick reply. I thought it might need to be 50/50 to cancel it, but didn't want to assume. AWESOME program!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: LLJoelJ on May 31, 2013, 09:44:15 AM
I'm new to mixing, but I think I understand how to use the calculator.  There is just one thing I can't figure out.  What if I have flavouring that already has nicotine in it?  My first eliquid purchases were 70PG/30VG, 18mg nic.  I wanted to dilute it a little bit as it's a little strong for me.  So I want to bring it down to 60PG/40VG, 14 mg nic. 

I see how to do this if I have flavouring with no nic already mixed in, but I can't figure out how to do this effectively with the flavouring I bought with nic. 

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on May 31, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
You didn't mention the amount of the 18mg flavored nic it is so I used 10ml as the amount. I have attached images to bring the 18mg to 14mg. This will change the PG/VG ratio from 70/30 to 60/40.
You will have to add 2.8ml of 25% PG (0.7) and 75% VG (2.1ml). A total of 12.8ml (10ml of 18mg and 2.8ml of 0mg)
Adding 2.8ml with zero flavoring will dilute the taste of your flavored 18mg, 10ml so you may want to also add some flavoring if you wish.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: LLJoelJ on May 31, 2013, 01:18:06 PM
Okay, that makes perfect sense now!  Thanks! ;cheers;
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: fipps on June 03, 2013, 06:16:26 AM
First: what a great calculator

secondly: sorry but my English is not so good

My question: is it possible to open a saved note to a liquid directly in the calculator program?
when I click the Notes button always opens the note unknown.text

Greetings
Fipps
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on June 03, 2013, 08:06:37 AM
First: what a great calculator

secondly: sorry but my English is not so good

My question: is it possible to open a saved note to a liquid directly in the calculator program?
when I click the Notes button always opens the note unknown.text

Greetings
Fipps

Welcome to the forum Fipps.
When you click the Notes tool it will open a new "Untitled" notepad page. Save your Notes with the same name as your recipe in the same folder as the recipes. When you have notes for recipes saved with notepad, you will then use "File", "Open" to find the note.

Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: fipps on June 03, 2013, 08:15:23 AM
Welcome to the forum Fipps.
When you click the Notes tool it will open a new "Untitled" notepad page. Save your Notes with the same name as your recipe in the same folder as the recipes. When you have notes for recipes saved with notepad, you will then use "File", "Open" to find the note.

Thanks for answer

So there is no automatic linkage - that would be a highlight in the future
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on June 03, 2013, 09:17:39 AM
Thanks for answer

So there is no automatic linkage - that would be a highlight in the future

Perhaps in a future update
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: uhclem on June 06, 2013, 05:36:43 PM
I have found that if I'm mixing more than one recipe, I can open multiple windows by clicking on the Desktop Icon again and have side to side calculator recipes opened. Neat!

Cool!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: uhclem on June 06, 2013, 05:39:06 PM
I have a recipe that requires 9 flavors. Is there a way to add more flavor windows?
(Please tell me I don't have to learn Visual Basic to realize this!)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on June 06, 2013, 06:47:52 PM
I have a recipe that requires 9 flavors. Is there a way to add more flavor windows?
(Please tell me I don't have to learn Visual Basic to realize this!)
Wow 9 flavors. Sounds excessive. Can you even make out the flavors with 9?
You can put two flavors on one line. As an example, for the Flavor Name you can detail Orange 2% - Peach 2% and for the amount box put 4% etc...
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: uhclem on June 06, 2013, 07:02:10 PM
Wow 9 flavors. Sounds excessive. Can you even make out the flavors with 9?
You can put two flavors on one line. As an example, for the Flavor Name you can detail Orange 2% - Peach 2% and for the amount box put 4% etc...

Yes, I can make out the flavors. Some flavors complement others.
So the answer is "no"?
Would you please consider adding the option, "Add More Flavors" & a convenient button in your next iteration of this fine software?
(I haven't seen this fact on these pages: one ml = 1 cc.)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on June 07, 2013, 08:21:52 AM
Yes, I can make out the flavors. Some flavors complement others.
So the answer is "no"?
Would you please consider adding the option, "Add More Flavors" & a convenient button in your next iteration of this fine software?
(I haven't seen this fact on these pages: one ml = 1 cc.)

I welcome all suggestions and I thank you for your suggestion. Perhaps in a future update. What I worry about is the length of the form and not being totally viewable to some users that use a low screen resolution. I would have to do a total reface of the calculator layout to fit everything.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: uhclem on June 07, 2013, 08:15:56 PM
I welcome all suggestions and I thank you for your suggestion. Perhaps in a future update. What I worry about is the length of the form and not being totally viewable to some users that use a low screen resolution. I would have to do a total reface of the calculator layout to fit everything.

I have a huge screen and still it's too long for mine, but I know how to move things around on my screen so it's no problem (and it's free so I can't complain!)
But I have complete faith in your ability to tweak it and make it more horizontal next go 'round.
:thankyou:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on June 08, 2013, 01:58:54 PM
What a relief.  Wen I signed on to this forum and saw the date on this thread, I was disappointed. I thought I had missed a chance to chime in.  I was happy to find out it was still alive.  Before I started mixing, I researched calculators until I was blue in the face.  Out of all of them, This one is the BEST. Every time I teach someone to mix, I take them to this calculator and make them download the calculator and bookmark the site.   ;cheers;  Thank You Breaktru.   That said, I would love to see a change that would allow 0% PG to be entered in the "Target PG" area..  The only PG I use is what is in the flavors and nicotine.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on June 08, 2013, 02:15:38 PM
What a relief.  Wen I signed on to this forum and saw the date on this thread, I was disappointed. I thought I had missed a chance to chime in.  I was happy to find out it was still alive.  Before I started mixing, I researched calculators until I was blue in the face.  Out of all of them, This one is the BEST. Every time I teach someone to mix, I take them to this calculator and make them download the calculator and bookmark the site.   ;cheers;  Thank You Breaktru.   That said, I would love to see a change that would allow 0% PG to be entered in the "Target PG" area..  The only PG I use is what is in the flavors and nicotine.

Welcome Erch89 to the forum. No thread here is dead. They just suffer from lack of member participation. Many troll the topics but do not participate. Feel free to comment on any topic no mater how old it is.

It's good to hear that EJMU is the best you have tried. I feel it is the most accurate and thorough calculator.

As far a Zero PG %, that all depends on your Nic ratio and the flavoring added. It's impossible to force the calc to come up with 0% PG if there is PG being put into the recipe. It's just mathematically impossible. You would need unflavored Nic and flavoring w/ 0% PG
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: banshee on June 08, 2013, 02:45:17 PM
+1 for the best calculator out there  :rockin smiley:
I see a lot of new calculators but this is by far the best  :thumbsup:

It is a shame more members don't post. I feel obligated to post just to show my support for your time and effort spent on your wonderful creations breaktru. Thank you. I do appreciate it my friend. Keep up the good work supporting all of us vapers.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: pendragon1950 on June 17, 2013, 12:57:10 AM
i agree this calc is the best i've seen and used. thank you breaktru for creating this great app.  :beer-toast:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: pendragon1950 on June 18, 2013, 12:41:33 PM
man I'm glad i found your e-calc, and I'm off to do some taste testing right now.  :beer-toast:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on June 24, 2013, 02:21:25 PM
I have a huge screen and still it's too long for mine, but I know how to move things around on my screen so it's no problem (and it's free so I can't complain!)
But I have complete faith in your ability to tweak it and make it more horizontal next go 'round.
:thankyou:

Can I ask you what size monitor and what resolution are you using?

Here is a screen-shot of a 19" monitor using a 1280 x 1024 resolution....
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: CaspianC on June 29, 2013, 05:09:34 PM
Hi,

I wanted to say thank you for taking your time and creating this amazing software.
I've been vaping for over a year and recently decided to make my own E-Liquid so I found out about your software and downloaded it.

The only problem I have is my nicotine strength level which is 18mg. When I enter the amount and '0' as the target; after calculation it won't show the amount of PG and VG that I need to add to my new mix. Does that mean I need to add the nicotine and the flavor then fill up the rest of the bottle with my VG/PG mix?

I'm using 18mg unflavored nicotine and my VG/PG mix is 50/50 already and I want 10% flavor in my mix.


Thanks again and I'll appreciate your help.

Sean

Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: CaspianC on June 29, 2013, 05:10:35 PM
I meant for VG/PG amount it shows '0'

I tried to attach a picture for you but I wasn't able to
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on June 29, 2013, 05:18:42 PM
Hi,
I wanted to say thank you for taking your time and creating this amazing software.
I've been vaping for over a year and recently decided to make my own E-Liquid so I found out about your software and downloaded it.

The only problem I have is my nicotine strength level which is 18mg. When I enter the amount and '0' as the target; after calculation it won't show the amount of PG and VG that I need to add to my new mix. Does that mean I need to add the nicotine and the flavor then fill up the rest of the bottle with my VG/PG mix?

I'm using 18mg unflavored nicotine and my VG/PG mix is 50/50 already and I want 10% flavor in my mix.

Thanks again and I'll appreciate your help.
Sean

Welcome Sean to the forum and thanks, glad you like the calc.
If you are making a ZERO Nic recipe, do not add any Nic. In the Nic Strength put 0 and the target 0.
In the Target PG/VG put 50 and 50
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: CaspianC on June 29, 2013, 05:23:34 PM
I appreciate your quick response.

I want 18mg nicotine strenght in my mix and I don't have to cut it because it's already 18. So what I do is, I put 18mg for nicotine strength and '0' at target. Once I hit calculate it doesn't show the amount for PG/VG (how many ml or drops). It shows 0 for both. I get the amount for Nicotine and the flavor, but zero for PG/PG

Thanks again
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: CaspianC on June 29, 2013, 05:26:58 PM
Here's a screenshot for you :)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on June 29, 2013, 05:41:19 PM
Sean,
You're putting 0 in the target nic. This is what you want you're mix to be. So you would need to enter the Nic level you want your recipe to be.

Another problem is you are using 18mg Nic Strength and want your recipe Nic strength to be 18mg. This would be impossible since you are adding 10% of PG based flavoring. The best result would be a Nic Target of 14.4mg for what you are using.
My advise would be to buy a higher unflavored Nic next time around.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: CaspianC on June 29, 2013, 05:46:51 PM
That makes perfect sense. For some reason I knew my nicotine strength was the problem. I will figure out something and order higher level for next time.

You're the best,

Thanks
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on June 29, 2013, 05:51:31 PM
That makes perfect sense. For some reason I knew my nicotine strength was the problem. I will figure out something and order higher level for next time.

You're the best,

Thanks

The reason for the PG/VG zeros is because you were entering 0 as the target.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: CaspianC on June 29, 2013, 05:54:08 PM
I noticed that. I just changed the Nicotine strength to 36 and put 18 as target. I'm thinking to double the amount it's giving me. I'm not sure if it works that way but I'll let you know if I ended up in the ER lol
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on June 30, 2013, 11:37:15 AM
I noticed that. I just changed the Nicotine strength to 36 and put 18 as target. I'm thinking to double the amount it's giving me. I'm not sure if it works that way but I'll let you know if I ended up in the ER lol
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OK C:  Sorry BT, hope you don't mind if I jump in here.  The teacher in me couldn't sit still any longer.  C,  first thing to do is look on you nic bottle and it will tell you the strength.  I would think it is either 53mg or 72mg.  It may be a little sticker that says PG 52 or 72mg (it can also 36, 100,or 150mg)  What ever it is, put that number at the top where it says "Nicotine Strength e-Juice"  and unless you purchased something special, it will be in PG dilutent, so put 100% in the PG space on that line.  This is important, because the program considers this amount of PG when calculating total PG.  I'll talk about TPG later.  Next line on the calculator is "Target Nicotine Strength".  This is the amount of nicotine you want in your finished juice.  An analog cig is about 36%.  You said you were looking for 18% (eg., 1.8mg).  That is the number that goes in the box to the far right (i.e.,18).  The next line is the amount of juice you are making (what ja wnta put in the bottle).  You can make any amount you would like, however I suggest you start out with a 5ml batch.  The last item in the header is for those using separate dilutents like water, Everclear, vodka,etc.  Leave that blank.  That finishes the header portion.

    The next section is easy.  in the flavor number boxes, type the names of the concentrate(s) in your recipe.   Again, unless you have ordered specal flavors concentrates, they are in 100% PG and you don't need to do anything with the next group.  If you are using all VG or a blend you would adjust it here.  Moving right along to the % of flavor.  If you have a recipe, enter those numbers here (for each flavor).  If your recipe is in ml's, the simplest thing to do is put a number from 1 to 12 in the flavor # % block, click the Calculate button at the bottom right of the form and check the amount in the "ml" column below.  Adjust the % entry until you get the correct ml amount. (Remember to hit the CALCULATE button each time you change something) 

    If you don't have a recipe, smell each of the flavors you intend to use and remember which is the primary flavor and about how potent each is according to their smell.  This is not foolproof, but, it's a start.  Your primary flavor wants to ave the highest % and decrease the others by the roll they play in the final flavor.  Lets look at an example.  I'll use my DIY Cool Blackberry Cream:


     Blackberry        25% or 1.25ml
     Sweet Cream   15% or 0.75ml
     koolada            10% or 0.5ml
     Menthol Ice      5% or 0.25ml
     Sweetener       5% or 0.25ml

The first thing most will note is how heavy I flavor.  60% of this recipe is flavor concentrate.  It is said, if you have to much flavor concentrate the flavor can go wrong.  That is what I was testing with this mix.  It came out very nice.  However, we will wait and see after it steeps for 3 weeks.  Back to the job at hand.  The 3rd column in this group is the DROPS column.  Please don;t get caught up in the easy way out and use this column.  First and foremost, all of the drip caps and eye droppers will give different siz drops and you will end up wonder why the last batch was so good and this one is off.  Different dropper and/or pressure. 

    Now that you have your juice you will want to try it.  It is NOT ready to try.  But, Put a bowl or cup of water in the microwave and bring it to a boil.  Shake your bottle of juice vigorously and place it in the hot water'  Every 4 to 5 minutes, take the bottle out of the water and shake it well before returning it to the hot water.  Do this until the water has cooled.  NOW you can try it.  It will still change over the next few days or weeks, but at least you will get an idea of what it is going to be.

   Hope this helps and again, sorry for jumping in BT.          ;cheers;
     
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: CaspianC on June 30, 2013, 11:54:24 AM
Thanks for your reply.

The Nicotine I have is 18ml PG/VG 50/50. Like our friend said, you can't use 18ml Nicotine and hit 18ml at Target. I always vape on 18ml strength so I ordered my Nic at 18ml (That's the problem). I have placed an order on 60ml; that will definitely work on that awesome calculator.

Thanks again and have a great weekend,

Sean
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on June 30, 2013, 02:02:52 PM
Thanks for your reply.

The Nicotine I have is 18ml PG/VG 50/50. Like our friend said, you can't use 18ml Nicotine and hit 18ml at Target. I always vape on 18ml strength so I ordered my Nic at 18ml (That's the problem). I have placed an order on 60ml; that will definitely work on that awesome calculator.

Thanks again and have a great weekend,

Sean

You can still use the bottle of 18mg by mixing it with Unflavored Nic at a higher strength. See the Nic Combine tool in the Tool menu of the calc.

Don't mix it all. Make a 30ml bottle. If you are buying 36mg, add 20ml and add 10ml of 18mg. Your result will be 30mg.
In the calc put 30mg in the box Nic Strength and 18mg for the target. You will be using the Nic from the mix you made.

See attached image............
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on June 30, 2013, 02:12:31 PM
Thanks for your reply.

The Nicotine I have is 18ml PG/VG 50/50. Like our friend said, you can't use 18ml Nicotine and hit 18ml at Target. I always vape on 18ml strength so I ordered my Nic at 18ml (That's the problem). I have placed an order on 60ml; that will definitely work on that awesome calculator.

Thanks again and have a great weekend,

Sean

  C:   I have a problem with the liquid you showed in your last post.  It appears it says 18mg per ml. I hoppe I just can't see the decimal between the 1 and the 8.  Otherwise you are getting 18mg of nicotine in every 1ml of that juice you use.  That would be 108mg of nic in a 6ml bottle of juice.  Pleeeeeeeese tell I'm blind.  That much nic could be dangerous.  I'm hoping for 18mg in the whole 200+ml bottle.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: CaspianC on July 01, 2013, 12:45:39 AM
Thanks for your concern. It's definitely 18mg per bottle. They also sell 100mg bottles. 
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: CaspianC on July 01, 2013, 12:52:07 AM
You can still use the bottle of 18mg by mixing it with Unflavored Nic at a higher strength. See the Nic Combine tool in the Tool menu of the calc.

Don't mix it all. Make a 30ml bottle. If you are buying 36mg, add 20ml and add 10ml of 18mg. Your result will be 30mg.
In the calc put 30mg in the box Nic Strength and 18mg for the target. You will be using the Nic from the mix you made.

See attached image............

Thanks for the great advise. I will use that formula once I get my new Nic. I saved that attachment.

Best Regards,

Sean

Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: claphamvapelover on July 21, 2013, 10:54:38 AM
This is my all day calculator....top job Breakthru.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on July 21, 2013, 11:04:10 AM
This is my all day calculator....top job Breakthru.

Thanks M8, glad I could be of service
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: midnightron on August 14, 2013, 05:46:58 PM
 Doh: Is this the correct place to post a question about the calculator?
Thanks and God Bless
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on August 14, 2013, 05:49:04 PM
Doh: Is this the correct place to post a question about the calculator?
Thanks and God Bless

I just moved your question to here........ http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,789.msg8357.html#msg8357 (http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,789.msg8357.html#msg8357)
Title: Sweetner
Post by: midnightron on August 21, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
Sorry to break in on a thread but I still have no idea how to start my own topic. Any help on that would be greatly appreciated. My question today is, can someone tell me the best sweetener to use? I have one now but it kinda leaves an after taste like those artificial sweeteners in packets if you know what I mean. Thank you and may you all have a very blessed day and may God Bless you and yours.
Ron
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on August 21, 2013, 12:38:45 PM
Sorry to break in on a thread but I still have no idea how to start my own topic. Any help on that would be greatly appreciated. My question today is, can someone tell me the best sweetener to use? I have one now but it kinda leaves an after taste like those artificial sweeteners in packets if you know what I mean. Thank you and may you all have a very blessed day and may God Bless you and yours.
Ron

When you decide which Category you want to post in, you will see the "New Topic" button as shown in the image below. Newbies can not start a new topic. 3 posts are required first.
(http://breaktru.com/temp2/new_topic.png)

I personally have not tried a lot of sweeteners. In fact I only tried one. Ethyl Maltol (Cotton Candy). Which one are you using.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: delanos53 on August 22, 2013, 04:34:52 PM
On thing that would be nice to add I think would be to have an inventory of your flavors in the app.  Right now I either have to go to a spread sheet or my android app to find what flavors I have available.   
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on August 22, 2013, 04:49:13 PM
On thing that would be nice to add I think would be to have an inventory of your flavors in the app.  Right now I either have to go to a spread sheet or my android app to find what flavors I have available.   

Sounds good. Have to look into it. I have received that request a few times before.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: midnightron on August 22, 2013, 07:47:01 PM
When you decide which Category you want to post in, you will see the "New Topic" button as shown in the image below. Newbies can not start a new topic. 3 posts are required first.
(http://breaktru.com/temp2/new_topic.png)

I personally have not tried a lot of sweeteners. In fact I only tried one. Ethyl Maltol (Cotton Candy). Which one are you using.

Thank you for your help. I truly appreciate it. May God Bless you and yours.
Ron
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: edsendemic on September 15, 2013, 10:11:43 PM
Hi there! I'm actually new to this forum but it's been like 4 months since I started using e-juice me up software.. I got a couple questions (since I still can't make a new thread) for the experts.. Why is that every time I try to make a NIC strength (like 6mg NIC) it really doesn't taste that way? I mean, I'm used to make 3mg and for me it's the perfect strength.. but my friend wanted a 6mg so I made him one and it was too strong.. we actually compared it to some juices (at vape shops) with 6mg and it really IS too strong.. it's kinda like a 10mg strength instead of 6mg.. I'm wondering what's going on and what should I do? FYI, I'm using a unflavored 50%-50% PG/VG with 24mg strength on a 60ml bottle NIC.. any help will be greatly appreciated..

thank you guys and GREAT JOB on this software! SUPER LOVIN' IT!  :rockin smiley:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on September 16, 2013, 01:30:26 AM
Hi there! I'm actually new to this forum but it's been like 4 months since I started using e-juice me up software.. I got a couple questions (since I still can't make a new thread) for the experts.. Why is that every time I try to make a NIC strength (like 6mg NIC) it really doesn't taste that way? I mean, I'm used to make 3mg and for me it's the perfect strength.. but my friend wanted a 6mg so I made him one and it was too strong.. we actually compared it to some juices (at vape shops) with 6mg and it really IS too strong.. it's kinda like a 10mg strength instead of 6mg.. I'm wondering what's going on and what should I do? FYI, I'm using a unflavored 50%-50% PG/VG with 24mg strength on a 60ml bottle NIC.. any help will be greatly appreciated..

thank you guys and GREAT JOB on this software! SUPER LOVIN' IT!  :rockin smiley:

   edsendemic:  First, lets establish which calculator you are using.  This is to allow me to get on the same page with you.  At the top of the calculator form, kit should say "e-Juice Calculator"  and the first line says "Enter Your Amounts".  If we are not on the same calculator, I need for you to get the e-juice calculator, available thru a link on the forum.  I believe we are on the right calculator. 

  Next, check your nicotine bottle.  It should have sticker on it that says "24mg in PG" or a statement to that effect on the bottle's label.  DO not confuse the issue by providing the size of hte bottle (i.e., "60ml").  If it is 24mg, enter that number in the very first box, in the upper right of the form and directly below the 'Print Image" box framed in blue.  On that same line, where it says "PG    %", put 100.

   The next line is labeled "Target Nicotine strenth" .  At the far right, enter the nicotine content you desire the finished product to contain. In this case, enter "6".  Your finished juice should now have 6mg or 6% nicotine.

   On the line "Amount to Make" enter the size of the batch you are making (3, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, etc) in the box proceeding the "mg" label.

   Next enter the name of each of the concentrates you are going to use in you juice, one to a line.  DO NOT enter anything else on an individual name line, except all the way to the right in the box adjacent to the last % mark.  This is a percentage of the total amount of flavor concentrates to be added to the dilutants.  Not a percentage of the total bottle volume.

   Last step before we hit the button.

    In the lower half of the forum, there are two lines that determine how much dilutent, PG and VG, will be in the final mix.  In either box put the number 50.  You indicated you wanted a 50/50 mix so we don't have be concerned where the 50 is entered.

  Hit the "Calculate" button at the bottom of the page and read your recipe for 6ml of x juice, with 6mg nicotine, and a 50/50 base mix.

   With few exception, your mix will need to step from 48 hours to 4 to 6 weeks before it will reach it's final flavor.  The concentrate requiring the longest steeping time is Peach.  What you are doing when you steep a mix is allowing the chemicals (e.g., molecule) to oxidize and melt with the other flavor molecules of the mix.

   I hope you find this helpful.  Happy mixing (it is fun) and happy vaping.     Eric
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on September 16, 2013, 07:59:33 AM
Hi there! I'm actually new to this forum but it's been like 4 months since I started using e-juice me up software.. I got a couple questions (since I still can't make a new thread) for the experts.. Why is that every time I try to make a NIC strength (like 6mg NIC) it really doesn't taste that way? I mean, I'm used to make 3mg and for me it's the perfect strength.. but my friend wanted a 6mg so I made him one and it was too strong.. we actually compared it to some juices (at vape shops) with 6mg and it really IS too strong.. it's kinda like a 10mg strength instead of 6mg.. I'm wondering what's going on and what should I do? FYI, I'm using a unflavored 50%-50% PG/VG with 24mg strength on a 60ml bottle NIC.. any help will be greatly appreciated..

thank you guys and GREAT JOB on this software! SUPER LOVIN' IT!  :rockin smiley:

Can you take a screenshot of the form?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on September 16, 2013, 10:43:24 AM
(http://screencast.com/t/3benxUmNLmmH)

 hope this worked.  I have not used this pgm before.  Here Goes


   Ok, that didn't work.  I do the ScrSht, but can' get it to this form.  How about a tutorial.

http://content.screencast.com/users/erck89/folders/Snagit/media/4a849f03-9220-4135-96cf-f031f45222b0/09.16.2013-10.38.png

   OK, I'll take it any way I can get it.  Click on the address and WALA the form.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: horton on September 16, 2013, 11:58:16 AM
duplicated information posted earlier -- deleted post
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on September 16, 2013, 12:08:14 PM
Thanks Eric. I was actually asking @edsendemic to post his screenshot so I can see what he is actually doing.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: edsendemic on September 16, 2013, 03:44:03 PM
Can you take a screenshot of the form?

Will do when I get home from work and school..  :thumbsup:

Thanks erck will take note of that.. I'm somewhat familiar with the program it's just the nic problem.. i was thinkin' maybe it's because I use a premix 24mg NIC  with 50/50 PG/VG on it.. i will SS the form when I get home.. so you guys might be able to see the problem.. thanks a lot for the help everyone!  ;cheers;
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: edsendemic on September 16, 2013, 03:48:59 PM
Oh and btw, I use ultra sonic cleaner to steep my juice quicker.. for some reason (just found this method on a forum) it speeds up the steeping process.. hope it helps.. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: edsendemic on September 17, 2013, 07:28:47 PM
Can you take a screenshot of the form?




Here's the SS.. Hope it helps..

That's the formula on a 6mg target NIC.. I just made 1 again and it's really strong..   :facepalm:

my usual NIC is only 3mg and it's perfect..

Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: edsendemic on September 17, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
oh sorry the 1st pic I posted was at 3mg NIC.. here's the 6mg..
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on September 17, 2013, 08:09:17 PM
Well it looks like everything is entered correctly.
Are you using the drop method for measuring? If so, it's not an accurate way to measure and will effect the out come of the mix content. I would suggest using a syringe.

You normally use 3mg strength of Nic and vaping 6mg (twice the strength) will seem strong.

I also see that you are using 35% flavoring. That seems excessive. The max flavoring for most recipes are 20% total. It all depends on the flavoring. I start low and work up if needed. Sometimes less is better. Some of my recipes are only 10% and that depends on the flavoring. A strong tobacco can be as little as 1%.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: edsendemic on September 17, 2013, 09:11:04 PM
Well it looks like everything is entered correctly.
Are you using the drop method for measuring? If so, it's not an accurate way to measure and will effect the out come of the mix content. I would suggest using a syringe.

You normally use 3mg strength of Nic and vaping 6mg (twice the strength) will seem strong.

I also see that you are using 35% flavoring. That seems excessive. The max flavoring for most recipes are 20% total. It all depends on the flavoring. I start low and work up if needed. Sometimes less is better. Some of my recipes are only 10% and that depends on the flavoring. A strong tobacco can be as little as 1%.



Not really.. I use syringe then just drop the excess.. and I already measured my droppers to meet the drop per ml.. so i think it's kinda accurate..

Uhmmm yes I normally vape 3mg.. but my friend vape 6mg and he loves my flavor so i made him one.. and he said it's too strong.. lol!

That's one of the problem i've been thinking.. I also notice that it's not really the NIC that gives the strong taste of the juice.. I noticed earlier that it has a strong throat hit.. maybe because of too much PG on it? Hmmmmm...  :Thinking:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on September 17, 2013, 11:55:55 PM
oh sorry the 1st pic I posted was at 3mg NIC.. here's the 6mg..

   Ed:  Lets solve the throat hit problem first.  At the bottom of the first half card it Says PG and a box and VG and a box.  PG partly controls the throat hit and VG controls, in part, the vapor volume.  If you have to much TH, lower the number in the PG box.  The software will calculate the amount of PG used in the concentrates and have you add what is needed to end up with the desired PG/VG mix.  If you don't have enough PG, it will prompt you to add more and that is when you increase that PG number.  So, if you are getting to much TH, change the PG % to 30.  The VG will automatically correct.

    For some reason, the pgm is doubling the amount of nicotine.  The problem is the double entry of the dilutent used in the nic.  Evidently, it only wants one number and it will calculate the remainder.  Try putting your 50% ONLY in the PG box.  You should see the nic line go from 25% (2.5ml) to the 6% you are looking for.

   Good luck, let us know if that works.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on September 18, 2013, 08:34:53 AM
    For some reason, the pgm is doubling the amount of nicotine.  The problem is the double entry of the dilutent used in the nic.  Evidently, it only wants one number and it will calculate the remainder.  Try putting your 50% ONLY in the PG box.  You should see the nic line go from 25% (2.5ml) to the 6% you are looking for.

Eric:
I'm not following you with your quoted statement above.
25% is the total percentage of the entire mix which is correct.

Ed:
When you friend said too strong he may be referring to only the TH and not nic buzz.
The flavoring percentage is too high. The flavors maybe harsh and causing the throat hit.

Drop size for PG will be smaller than VG and the 50/50 nic. Drop size for the 50/50 nic will be smaller than the VG. So you will have 3 different drop sizes for the 3 different liquid consistencies. Not to mention the flavoring.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on September 20, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
Eric:
I'm not following you with your quoted statement above.
25% is the total percentage of the entire mix which is correct.

Ed:
When you friend said too strong he may be referring to only the TH and not nic buzz.
The flavoring percentage is too high. The flavors maybe harsh and causing the throat hit.

Drop size for PG will be smaller than VG and the 50/50 nic. Drop size for the 50/50 nic will be smaller than the VG. So you will have 3 different drop sizes for the 3 different liquid consistencies. Not to mention the flavoring.

    Breaktru:   2.5ml is just about 25% of his TOTAL volume of 6 ml and he is looking for approximately 6% or 0.36ml.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: gladheart on September 28, 2013, 12:00:54 AM
 hi
:wave: 
1st post
Nicotine 24mg/ml with PG 100%

Had made mistake before getting calculator and used the calculator to find out % on PG and VG the best I could from knowing  Nic PG amount and VG amount and  the total ml of finished amount.  I messed up on calculating the no nicotine PG, then attempted to lower the  total PG as much as I could and have 4mg/ml

Not sure that  what I attempted is accurate but it seems to be tolerable and no longer having negative symptoms.  Evidently I had a hyper-sensitivity to PG.

Thank you for the calculator and the forum

Blessings,
gladheart
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: suern on September 28, 2013, 02:02:49 PM
Hello,
I'm new to the forum but have been using the software for a couple of months. Great product!!! It is much appreciated!!
So, a few quick questions:
1. Is that real vodka used in recipes on the Water/Vodka/PGA line?
2. I know what PG is but, what is PGA?
3. Is there an easy way to compare which recipes I already have with the list on the website, so I know what I need to download?
Thank you,
SueRN
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on September 28, 2013, 02:53:11 PM


  Suern:


irst of all, let me welcome you to the forum. I hope you come to enjoy it as much as I do.  You will find the people here are very friendly and helpful.

  To your questions:  Yes, that is real vodka and believe it or not,  the cheap, cheap stuff works the best.  Question 2.  PGA is Pure Grain Alcohol (Ever Clear).  And last, but not least, Yes, however, that list is very, very long and is being added to every day.  One way is to click on "Get Default" at the very bottom of the calculator.  That brings up an alphabetical list of recipes.  Pick one you want to compare and click on it.  The second way is to click on "web site" at the top of the calculator and when the selection box comes up, follow the directions to see the recipes as quantitative data on the extreme left side or as a normal narrative file.  Good Luck and Enjoy 
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: suern on September 28, 2013, 11:32:11 PM

....is real vodka and believe it or not,  the cheap, cheap stuff works the best.  Question 2.  PGA is Pure Grain Alcohol (Ever Clear).  ...



Okay, Thanks for the info. Why would someone want to vape alcohol?? I'm not allowed to drink with my meds, do you get the same physical reaction to inhaling as drinking?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: gladheart on September 29, 2013, 04:17:28 AM
Hello,
I'm new to the forum but have been using the software for a couple of months. Great product!!! It is much appreciated!!
So, a few quick questions:
1. Is that real vodka used in recipes on the Water/Vodka/PGA line?
2. I know what PG is but, what is PGA?
3. Is there an easy way to compare which recipes I already have with the list on the website, so I know what I need to download?
Thank you,
SueRN
 


Hi SueRN,   Welcome!   I've received email  saying "A reply has been posted to a topic you are watching by suern.)

PGA is pure grain alcohol as Erick89 posted.

There was a program posted about comparing recipes just don't remember where I saw it.

God bless.

Healthy and Happy Vaping
gladheart
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: CraigHB on September 29, 2013, 12:41:14 PM
Why would someone want to vape alcohol?? I'm not allowed to drink with my meds, do you get the same physical reaction to inhaling as drinking?

Because it has a positive effect on the vapors.  You use it to thin the juice when using higher levels of VG since VG is very thick.  Juice that is too thick does not work well in some atomizers.  Water can be used to thin the juice as well, but alcohol reduces some of the sweetness of a high VG mix and makes the vapors feel lighter and less greasy. 

I've been using PGA to thin my juice for a couple years now.  I use Everclear 190 at about 6% of the overall mix.  The concentrations are not high enough to have any physical effect from vaping.  If you go too high on the alcohol, it kills vapor production.  Really 6% is about as high as you want to go.  You wouldn't be able to vape concentrations high enough to cause any level of intoxication.

I dont' steep my juice and vape it right after mixing.  So, there's no chance for any PGA to evaporate off.  It if did, there would be no point in using it since it wouldn't be in the mix when I vape it.  That's a considerable expense just to throw away, PGA is about 20 dollars a liter.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Cajunsteaming on September 30, 2013, 03:30:27 PM
Can't wait to get this app and start mixing. What a wonderful s/w. ;cheers;
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: breakstuff on September 30, 2013, 07:38:44 PM
Did you download it yet Cajun? If not see the first post for the eJuice website. There is a download link.
IMO it's the best calc out there. Good luck with your mixing.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Cajunsteaming on September 30, 2013, 10:10:12 PM
Did you download it yet Cajun? If not see the first post for the eJuice website. There is a download link.
IMO it's the best calc out there. Good luck with your mixing.

 :thankyou: :thumbsup: freaked_out:

This is GREAT!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am downloaded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now how to copy over recipes ...working on it!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: suern on October 07, 2013, 07:19:55 AM
CraigHB  :thankyou:. Very interesting info. I'll have to try the alcohol as I am steadily increasing the amount of VG and decreasing the PG.
 
Have you ever tried vodka? Is it less expensive? Would you use the same 6%? At what ratio of PG to VG should I start including it on the calculator?
 
I don't steep either. Didn't know I could/should. Which brings me to ...
 
 :offtopic:Breaktru is there a really good tutorial somewhere that could be called DIY Vaping Juice 101? I think I have the basics, but I'm really not sure - I knew about neither using alcohol nor about steeping, so there may be other stuff I need to be aware of.

Thanks for your help!!!
(http://us.cdn3.123rf.com/168nwm/eastnine/eastnine1210/eastnine121004653/15913901-vector-icon-palm-tree-and-drink.jpg)

See you Florida Guys over on our new board!! Thanks to Breaktru - wonderful idea!
suern
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: CraigHB on October 07, 2013, 02:30:55 PM
I've been mail ordering my PGA and I pay about $20 for a liter bottle; link (http://www.winechateau.com/sku1004372_EVERCLEAR-GRAIN-ALCOHOL-190@-1.00L).  You can find inexpensive Vodka for about $10 a liter.  You can use anything between pure water and pure grain alcohol so it just depends on how much alcohol you want.  Vodka is 40% alcohol, the rest is water. 

You only use what you need to thin the juice down enough to work well in your atomizer.  With 40% VG, I use about 6% of the overall mix, but you can use more if you use more VG.  You don't want to use too much thinner or it kills vapor production.  You probably don't want to go over 10%.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Cajunsteaming on October 07, 2013, 03:25:50 PM
I have found that saline work GREAT too. I buy the nasal rinse saline 99.9 % and thew walmart to cut the VG down too just a few drops works and does not affect the taste..

Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on October 20, 2013, 10:48:08 AM
CraigHB  :thankyou:. Very interesting info. I'll have to try the alcohol as I am steadily increasing the amount of VG and decreasing the PG.
 
Have you ever tried vodka? Is it less expensive? Would you use the same 6%? At what ratio of PG to VG should I start including it on the calculator?
 
I don't steep either. Didn't know I could/should. Which brings me to ...
 
 :offtopic:Breaktru is there a really good tutorial somewhere that could be called DIY Vaping Juice 101? I think I have the basics, but I'm really not sure - I knew about neither using alcohol nor about steeping, so there may be other stuff I need to be aware of.

Thanks for your help!!!
(http://us.cdn3.123rf.com/168nwm/eastnine/eastnine1210/eastnine121004653/15913901-vector-icon-palm-tree-and-drink.jpg)

See you Florida Guys over on our new board!! Thanks to Breaktru - wonderful idea!
suern


   
Sue:

    To bad I'm so slow.  I am working on a book, The Vaping Primmer, but it is nowhere near complete.  I was back in the hospital again and that certainly curtails work on the book.  They figure I had vertigo brought on by a sinus infection that got into my ear and went wild.  It actually made my BP go crazy.  When I went to the hospital ED, it was 221/131 and the diastolic pressure actually got higher than that at one point.  Can you spell aneurism?  When I was up on the floor I was in no shape to do anything.  It even affected my sight.   
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: suern on October 20, 2013, 05:02:40 PM

   
Sue:

    To bad I'm so slow.  I am working on a book, The Vaping Primmer, but it is nowhere near complete.  I was back in the hospital again and that certainly curtails work on the book.  They figure I had vertigo brought on by a sinus infection that got into my ear and went wild.  It actually made my BP go crazy.  When I went to the hospital ED, it was 221/131 and the diastolic pressure actually got higher than that at one point.  Can you spell aneurism?  When I was up on the floor I was in no shape to do anything.  It even affected my sight.   



That doesn't sound very good! Hope you get better soon. I've been working on a vaping 101... gathering info from several different places.


Having some trouble with my keyboard!! LOL my granddaughter spilled my coffee on it...now I have true "sticky" keys!! :laughing2:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on October 22, 2013, 12:10:28 PM
 
 Sue:  Here is a piece I did non the Vapers Den Forum.


   
    Let me start by pointing out, no one forces you to steep.  That is your choice.  However, if you want the true flavor of your mix,  most of the time you MUST steep.  That said, this is chemistry!  Pure and simple, add a little solvent, mix in some acid, and marry it to a plant extract and you get an elixir that smells and taste like strawberries or some other human delight.  Leave that same juice to steep and meld and you have a strawberry jam like grandma use to make.  Why, because, this is chemistry, not rocket science.  Rocket science, you work your ass off to get everything mixed in just right, ten you stick a match to it's tail and you instantly have the final results of your endeavors. We, on the other hand, introduce strangers from the far corners of who knows where and ask them to play a symphony they have never heard before.  (Damn, I love these metafores.  I'm going to do this in the morning from now on.)  It's not going to be as wonderful the first day as it will after they have had time to practice. 

    That said, let me throw a monkeywrench in too confuse things a bit.  There are certain flavors that, when mixed as singles, require NO steeping.  Let me reword that,  most flavors, when mixed alone require LITTLE or NO steeping.  It is easier to tell you the worst of the lot, than identify all the ones that do well without steeping when mixed as a single.  I think the worst is peach.  Peach can take from 3 to 6 weeks (Yes, Ethel, he said weeks) to attain that wonderful, sweet smell and taste.  I think this paragraph, BASICALLY, explains why we need to steep when mixing two or more concentrates into a vaping delight.  Now the process.

    Hold your ears.  I'm going to yell.  DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT STEEP IN THE MICROWAVE!!!  Regardless of what the guy who has been mixing and vaping since 1795 tells you, don't do it.  Remember, I said these concentrates are made from chemicals?  Some of those chemicals have a very low flash point.  For instance:  The chemical that give you that nice Turkish Tobacco taste, has a flash point of 212 degrees F.  Now that is at full strength, but strange thing happen when you play with the chemistry set.  Throw in this and that and you may have supplied a catalyst that makes the chemical more volital.  When that happens, you will be down at the home store shelling out the money you saved for that new mod on a new microwave instead.   If you will kindly take notice; PG, VG, nic, and some of the concentrates are quite thick.  Unless you put some water or alcohol in the mix, these thick fluids are not going to jump into each others laps.  They are going to layer.  OH Yea, the guy in the back hollers out.  I shake the hell out of my mixes.  Try this.  In a graduated cylinder, somewhat larger than 10ml, if you have it (if you don't, make a 5ml batch.  It is important you use a cylinder), put the following:

                  PG = 4.75ml
                  VG = 1.75ml
                  Cherry = 1.2ml  *Use a concentrate like Wizard Lab's.  It is a bright red color
                  Capt. Black = 1.8  (A very mild tobacco flavor from Wizard Labs.)
                  MTS = 3 drops  **This is a flavor smoother made by Flavor Art. 

    When you have these in the cylinder.  Put your thumb over the top and shake it.  After shaking, notice the red stuff is still isolated in the middle.  Now you have seen, with your own eyes, why we need to steep.  Now, put your mix into a bottle and cap it.  This is where the micro comes into play.  Boil about a cup or a cup and a half of water.  When it boils, remove it from the micro and put the closed bottle of mix into the boiling water.  About every 5 minutes, take the bottle out and shake it.  Let the juice stay in the water until it has cooled to the tepid stage. Notice, all the contents have mixed.  You just, at the very least, started the steeping process.  You can vape it now and get a better idea of how it is going to finish.  The longer it sits the better it should get.  Also, the richer you mix, the more important steeping become.

   Without getting all PHD here, I think you should have a better understanding why steeping is necessary.  Remember, this dissertation primarily addressed the process from a mechanical point of view.  However, chemically, the same principals are at play.  I hope this has been of help and has not been b  o  r  i  n  g .  Also, enjoy the juice you made, it is really good.  Even for those who don't like tobacco flavors to much.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: ghinsey on November 21, 2013, 10:43:35 AM
 :thumbsup:  I just wanted to say Thank You Sooo Much For This Calculator.  :thumbsup:

This eJuice Calculator makes my juices more accurate, easier, and safer.  Great job on this software !!!   :thankyou:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on November 21, 2013, 12:00:56 PM
:thumbsup:  I just wanted to say Thank You Sooo Much For This Calculator.  :thumbsup:

This eJuice Calculator makes my juices more accurate, easier, and safer.  Great job on this software !!!   :thankyou:

Great hearing that. Welcome to the forum and you are welcome
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: babonji on November 26, 2013, 02:12:40 PM
i am really would like to say thanks for  eJuice Calculator
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Brazos on December 02, 2013, 06:25:43 PM
:thumbsup:  I just wanted to say Thank You Sooo Much For This Calculator.  :thumbsup:

This eJuice Calculator makes my juices more accurate, easier, and safer.  Great job on this software !!!   :thankyou:

I just wanted to say what ghinsey said. I use it every time I mix. So easy.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mahiney on December 09, 2013, 02:02:45 AM
You didn't mention the amount of the 18mg flavored nic it is so I used 10ml as the amount. I have attached images to bring the 18mg to 14mg. This will change the PG/VG ratio from 70/30 to 60/40.
You will have to add 2.8ml of 25% PG (0.7) and 75% VG (2.1ml). A total of 12.8ml (10ml of 18mg and 2.8ml of 0mg)
Adding 2.8ml with zero flavoring will dilute the taste of your flavored 18mg, 10ml so you may want to also add some flavoring if you wish.

I quoted the above because I couldn't figure it out until I saw the percentages of just the 2.8ml, you had me there for a minute. (I joined so I could see the images.) So you just tried/found a number in ml's on Base 2 until the Results said the nic mg's desired, I think.

I just did a simple reduction of my 24mg nic (all VG) to 12mg nic... 10ml's of 24mg Nic cut to 12mg of Nic by adding 10ml's of VG. Easy enough, but then I used your Combine Nicotine Levels in your calculator and yes it's easy enough but I'll have to play with it to get the hang of it for VG & PG variables. This kind of math can get my head spinning.

I am digging this forum, read thru this whole section and learned a bunch! I liked where the poster talked about steeping and chemical layering/marrying. Sometimes it's just the way someone puts it that it suddenly sinks in.
Awesome! your calculator is by far the best for me to figure things out. Thank you!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mahiney on December 09, 2013, 02:27:27 AM
  C:   I have a problem with the liquid you showed in your last post.  It appears it says 18mg per ml. I hoppe I just can't see the decimal between the 1 and the 8.  Otherwise you are getting 18mg of nicotine in every 1ml of that juice you use.  That would be 108mg of nic in a 6ml bottle of juice.  Pleeeeeeeese tell I'm blind.  That much nic could be dangerous.  I'm hoping for 18mg in the whole 200+ml bottle.

Is this confusing anyone else? I thought that the mg nic strength WAS per ml and not per bottle... so buying a 50ml bottle of say 18mg of all VG nic solution is telling me that it's 1.8% nicotine and actually 98.2% VG. I thought it is then 18milligrams of nicotine per milliliter of VG, no? Now my head is spinning... because if I then take 2 ml's from the bottle it's still 18mg of nic, not 36mg of nic. But if I vape 1ml of it I am exposed to 18mg's of nic, and if I vape 2ml's then wasn't I just exposed to 36mg's of nic? So why am I getting a hairball in this thought process? Percentages make more sense to me at this point.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on December 09, 2013, 08:42:31 AM

An Explanation of Nicotine Measurements (http://www.whitecloudelectroniccigarettes.com/blog/nicotine-measurements/)

http://www.ecita.org.uk/blog/index.php/how-much-nicotine-is-absorbed-following-electronic-cigarette-use/
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mahiney on December 09, 2013, 10:27:27 AM
An Explanation of Nicotine Measurements (http://www.whitecloudelectroniccigarettes.com/blog/nicotine-measurements/)

http://www.ecita.org.uk/blog/index.php/how-much-nicotine-is-absorbed-following-electronic-cigarette-use/

Perfecto! Okay, now thinking in terms of percentages, great link for clearing that up. Thanks!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Brazos on December 09, 2013, 07:57:59 PM
Now I am confused. I don't vape any Nic in my mixes but my wife does. She wants it to be 12 mg. I buy her Nic from Wizard Labs I thought it is 100mg per ml . We enjoy the same stuff but since hers has Nic it kicks my rear I hope I am not hurting her.  I guess I need to reread all the instuctiones
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on December 09, 2013, 08:18:58 PM
Now I am confused. I don't vape any Nic in my mixes but my wife does. She wants it to be 12 mg. I buy her Nic from Wizard Labs I thought it is 100mg per ml . We enjoy the same stuff but since hers has Nic it kicks my rear I hope I am not hurting her.  I guess I need to reread all the instuctiones

The above mumbo jumbo about percentage, mg, ml is making everyone crazy.
Just continue using the calculator as you were. Enter your unflavored nic as 100mg Nic Strength and your Target Nic Strength as 12 mg.
12mg target is a light to medium nic strength. Not to worry.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Brazos on December 09, 2013, 08:23:46 PM
Thanks you are one cool dude. I feel so much better.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO-sweetener?
Post by: ANtlergoat on January 31, 2014, 01:51:45 AM
Is anybody using sweetener? If so, what field should I enter it in? I don't see of the recipes that were provided with the installation using any.

Thanks in advanced.

p.s. Thank you fo rthis software.. I think you just made my life! I will be donating for sure!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on January 31, 2014, 06:35:57 AM
Is anybody using sweetener? If so, what field should I enter it in? I don't see of the recipes that were provided with the installation using any.

Thanks in advanced.

p.s. Thank you fo rthis software.. I think you just made my life! I will be donating for sure!

Welcome to the forum ANtlergoat.
Just enter it on a Flavoring Line as you would a flavor.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: midnightron on January 31, 2014, 01:43:35 PM
Hello, yes I do use a sweetener. I use Ethyl Maltol (E-Cig express) and I use it at 5% to start out with so I don't waste a whole batch by making it too sweet. Remember, you can always add more and it is really hard to try and take away what you added. The only things I use a sweetener are strong tobacco flavor or  brands that really need a kick. You put it in the calculator when you are making your batch under other flavors. Hope this helps. Good luck to you and welcome aboard.
midnightron
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: reb181 on February 10, 2014, 12:06:31 PM
I have bought my base with the nicotine mixed in so how do I tell the calculator my mix is made? for example i want to make a 10ml amount my base is 20%=80% with 12mg nicotine allready in the base (1% density) how do i put that in the calculator then I want to add flavor  the help said I have to guess on the PG amount that's in the flavor bottle hit and miss trying here I have no idea 30%-50%-70% 
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on February 10, 2014, 03:43:13 PM
It sounds to me like you bought a 12mg Nic that is PG 20%/VG 80%.
Adding flavor will dilute your Nic strength.
Most flavoring is 100% PG based.
How strong do you want your flavoring? (percentage)

The image shows 10ml.
9ml Nic
and 10% PG flavoring = 1ml flavoring
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: reb181 on February 10, 2014, 03:58:35 PM
I like the 20% PG & 80% VG... you said adding the flavoring dulites the nicotine I think you are correct about the nicotine I have in my mixed base is 12mg if after adding the flavor it only goes down to say 10mg that would be fine with me I think...on the flavoring thing I may want to increase it a little I have been going for 20% flavor and I think I want to try alittle stronger flavor should I or can I tell the calculator 30% instead of 20%?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: reb181 on February 10, 2014, 04:03:34 PM
Maybe next time I order base I will buy the nicotine seperate and add it as the calculator shows to get the 12mg that i want thanks for your help
I will keep trying mixing to get better at it.....
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on February 10, 2014, 05:41:24 PM
Yes play with the Tool, "Combine Nic" to see your Nic strength out come. For 30% flavoring (seems high) use 3ml and for Nic enter 7ml.

Definitely the way to go by buying Nic, VG and PG separately. This way you have more options on your final out come.
My advise is to buy Nic at 100mg, 50/50. It will go a long way and you can swing your final target PG/VG easier.
If you are a low nic strength user, than 48mg is good.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: reb181 on February 10, 2014, 07:17:02 PM
Thanks alot for your help I will get the nic and do it that way.......
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on February 12, 2014, 01:21:00 PM
Maybe next time I order base I will buy the nicotine seperate and add it as the calculator shows to get the 12mg that i want thanks for your help
I will keep trying mixing to get better at it.....

    :wallbash: :wallbash:   Reb:   This is a series of products I wish they would take off the market.  It is too limiting.  As you move through the DYI spectrum there will be situations where you are going to adjust one of the elements in the mixture and it will be difficult at best, most likely impossible.  Buying the PG, VG, and Nicotine separately does not cost much, if any, more than locking yourself in with those pre-"messes" .  I don't know  what you are paying, and worst yet where it is made, but you can safely buy from Wizard Labs, High Desert Vapes, and/or Mt. Baker Vapor, just to point out a few, without concern from the where the chemistry comes from.  Dekange, a Chinese manufacture, will not use some of the raw materials FROM CHINA.  So, you buy some of this cheap chemistry and you could be getting something harmful to your body.

    Buying your base materials from a known source can put your mind at ease when it comes  your base, which is the largest part of you mix.  Your cost could end up being less going this way.  It also allows you the freedom to adjust the throat hit and vapor volume to your liking.  some people like to really get nailed in the throat while others may be allergic to the PG or just don't want any TH.  You can adjust all that, easily, when you have individual bottles. 

            Eric
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: reb181 on February 12, 2014, 02:17:13 PM
Hi Eric I just ordered PG,VG,and Nic from high desert Vapes...had a long chat with the girl there and we figured out what I needed to get to do it right...Thanks for your input sound advice....have a great day!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: olsofty on February 28, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
I have a question about mg... If I follow the recipe and I test the stuff and it is lower than what I wanted how many drops of nic juice will I add if the base juice is 48mg/l. for simplicity I want to make 1 ml of 24mg/l of juice. I noticed that 20 drops = 1ml what is the ratio of non-nic to nic to reduce or increase potency?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on February 28, 2014, 03:53:09 PM
I have a question about mg... If I follow the recipe and I test the stuff and it is lower than what I wanted how many drops of nic juice will I add if the base juice is 48mg/l. for simplicity I want to make 1 ml of 24mg/l of juice. I noticed that 20 drops = 1ml what is the ratio of non-nic to nic to reduce or increase potency?

Hint: use the "Nic Combine" in the Tool menu
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mr. yuck on March 03, 2014, 09:10:15 PM
how can the calculator come up with a negative number when you are putting in  a50/50 mix?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mr. yuck on March 03, 2014, 10:40:35 PM
in my venture to attempt doin some diy one of my regular vendors totally wicked e-liquid offered a sale on a diy kit 4 fluid ozs. each pg/vg,50 ml. 54mg/ml. platinum ice pg  based nic. mixing liquid your coice 5/10 ml. bottles of gold standard flavors.so now i just need to get all my measurements right and start my own diy juicey juice :rockin smiley:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on March 04, 2014, 12:55:55 AM
in my venture to attempt doin some diy one of my regular vendors totally wicked e-liquid offered a sale on a diy kit 4 fluid ozs. each pg/vg,50 ml. 54mg/ml. platinum ice pg  based nic. mixing liquid your coice 5/10 ml. bottles of gold standard flavors.so now i just need to get all my measurements right and start my own diy juicey juice :rockin smiley:

   Hi Yuck:   Let me answer your question about the calculator telling you you have a PG deficiency (- negative amount of PG).  You wanted a 50/50 PG/VG mix and the calculator plugged in a quantities based on the amount of juice being made; basically the data entered at the top of the form.  Now you plug in the concentrates to be used and the % (percentage) of each.  The calculator knows that the flavors molecules (ingredients) are in a PG base, unless you tell it differently (through the PG and VG boxes on each flavor line) and adds iit up.  If that sum is less than the number calculated in the beginning, you have a PG deficiency and that notice will come up.  You can play with concentrate %s or simply change the PG/VG desired blend.  The choice is yours.  To me, the small change in the target blend is undetectable. 

    To answer the question of what you need to DIY mix,I am going to give you what will be a comfortable kit that you can (and will) add to the kit.  Here is a list with suggested quantities:

      1 ml (eg.,1 cc) syringes - 4 ea
      3 ml syringes - 2 ea
      5 ml syringe - 1 ea
      22ga x 1/2" blunt needles - 6 ea
      18ga x 2" blunt needle - 1 ea
      18ga x 3" blunt needles - 1 ea
      10 ml Graduate cylinder (.01 ml graduations) - 1 ea
      25 ml Graduate cylinder (.05 ml graduations) - 1 ea (optional)
      5 ml bottles with drip nozzle and caps - 15 ea or 3 ml bottles - 20 ea (6 ml bottles can be substituted for 5 ml)
      10 ml bottles w/   "         "        "    "     -  4 ea
      10 transfer pipettes of each of the 2 sizes (they cost about a buck for 10 of them)

   That will get you started.  Get bottles from U.S. Plastics (Cat. on line) and other lab where is available at Mt. Baker Vapor, High Desert Vapers, and Wizard Labs as starters.  I found another source this morning.  It is RTS Vapers.  They seem to have it all and where I would go if just starting out and building my mixing space.  The only thing I DID NOT see were the small blunt needles that fit into the nozzle opening of the concentrate bottles (to draw the liquid into the measuring seringe(s)).

     Good Luck and have fun.        Eric
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mr. yuck on March 06, 2014, 12:22:10 AM
:begging:
 erck 89 thanks for the help i was curious is there somewhere that shows like the calculator and what to put exactly where out there somewhere kinda like a guideline to go by? :begging:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: dennis15 on March 06, 2014, 07:37:45 AM
:begging:
 erck 89 thanks for the help i was curious is there somewhere that shows like the calculator and what to put exactly where out there somewhere kinda like a guideline to go by? :begging:

Look at the first (OP) post in this topic. It has a link to a .pdf guide and below that several youtube videos.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on March 06, 2014, 08:53:41 AM
:begging:
 erck 89 thanks for the help i was curious is there somewhere that shows like the calculator and what to put exactly where out there somewhere kinda like a guideline to go by? :begging:

  Yuck:  I wrote a line by line guide for the forum.  Let me find it and either copy it and drop it here or give you the location.

     I found the abridged version and will drop it below.  The full version I wrote on another forum and will have to bring it over if you would like a more complete and suscient explanation.  Let me know in a private message (see top of forum page "Messages") and I will post it.  Good Luck and have fun.

       First, lets establish which calculator you are using.  This is to allow me to get on the same page with you.  At the top of the calculator form, kit should say "e-Juice Calculator"  and the first line says "Enter Your Amounts".  If we are not on the same calculator, I need for you to get the e-juice calculator, available thru a link on the forum.  I believe we are on the right calculator. 

  Next, check your nicotine bottle.  It should have sticker on it that says "24mg in PG" or a statement to that effect on the bottle's label.  DO not confuse the issue by providing the size of hte bottle (i.e., "60ml").  If it is 24mg, enter that number in the very first box, in the upper right of the form and directly below the 'Print Image" box framed in blue.  On that same line, where it says "PG    %", put 100.

   The next line is labeled "Target Nicotine strenth" .  At the far right, enter the nicotine content you desire the finished product to contain. In this case, enter "6".  Your finished juice should now have 6mg or 6% nicotine.

   On the line "Amount to Make" enter the size of the batch you are making (3, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, etc) in the box proceeding the "mg" label.

   Next enter the name of each of the concentrates you are going to use in you juice, one to a line.  DO NOT enter anything else on an individual name line, except all the way to the right in the box adjacent to the last % mark.  This is a percentage of the total amount of flavor concentrates to be added to the dilutants.  Not a percentage of the total bottle volume.

   Last step before we hit the button.

    In the lower half of the forum, there are two lines that determine how much dilutent, PG and VG, will be in the final mix.  In either box put the number 50.  You indicated you wanted a 50/50 mix so we don't have be concerned where the 50 is entered.

  Hit the "Calculate" button at the bottom of the page and read your recipe for 6ml of x juice, with 6mg nicotine, and a 50/50 base mix.

   With few exception, your mix will need to step from 48 hours to 4 to 6 weeks before it will reach it's final flavor.  The concentrate requiring the longest steeping time is Peach.  What you are doing when you steep a mix is allowing the chemicals (e.g., molecule) to oxidize and melt with the other flavor molecules of the mix.

   I hope you find this helpful.  Happy mixing (it is fun) and happy vaping.

           Eric
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: ngeb528 on March 06, 2014, 12:53:34 PM

   edsendemic:  First, lets establish which calculator you are using.  This is to allow me to get on the same page with you.  At the top of the calculator form, kit should say "e-Juice Calculator"  and the first line says "Enter Your Amounts".  If we are not on the same calculator, I need for you to get the e-juice calculator, available thru a link on the forum.  I believe we are on the right calculator. 

  Next, check your nicotine bottle.  It should have sticker on it that says "24mg in PG" or a statement to that effect on the bottle's label.  DO not confuse the issue by providing the size of hte bottle (i.e., "60ml").  If it is 24mg, enter that number in the very first box, in the upper right of the form and directly below the 'Print Image" box framed in blue.  On that same line, where it says "PG    %", put 100.

   The next line is labeled "Target Nicotine strenth" .  At the far right, enter the nicotine content you desire the finished product to contain. In this case, enter "6".  Your finished juice should now have 6mg or 6% nicotine.

   On the line "Amount to Make" enter the size of the batch you are making (3, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, etc) in the box proceeding the "mg" label.

   Next enter the name of each of the concentrates you are going to use in you juice, one to a line.  DO NOT enter anything else on an individual name line, except all the way to the right in the box adjacent to the last % mark.  This is a percentage of the total amount of flavor concentrates to be added to the dilutants.  Not a percentage of the total bottle volume.

   Last step before we hit the button.

    In the lower half of the forum, there are two lines that determine how much dilutent, PG and VG, will be in the final mix.  In either box put the number 50.  You indicated you wanted a 50/50 mix so we don't have be concerned where the 50 is entered.

  Hit the "Calculate" button at the bottom of the page and read your recipe for 6ml of x juice, with 6mg nicotine, and a 50/50 base mix.

   With few exception, your mix will need to step from 48 hours to 4 to 6 weeks before it will reach it's final flavor.  The concentrate requiring the longest steeping time is Peach.  What you are doing when you steep a mix is allowing the chemicals (e.g., molecule) to oxidize and melt with the other flavor molecules of the mix.

   I hope you find this helpful.  Happy mixing (it is fun) and happy vaping.     Eric
:thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou:
Just had one of those AH-HA moments where it brought it all together.  I was having trouble understanding the PG/VG ratio because I had 100% PG 24mg nic juice and couldn't figure out why the calculator was asking for more PG.  The Gump in me (to borrow someone else's expression) was putting the 50/50 outcome I desired into the percentage boxes at the top, under Enter Your Amounts, instead of the Target PG/VG % boxes.  Now it makes sense!!!

This is my first day on the forum (just found it) and I've been reading non-stop for about 3 hours and have learned A LOT!

Looking forward to collecting lots of valuable nuggets from everyone and (hopefully) sharing things I figure out too.

Nancy
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on March 06, 2014, 01:04:54 PM

This is my first day on the forum (just found it) and I've been reading non-stop for about 3 hours and have learned A LOT!

Looking forward to collecting lots of valuable nuggets from everyone and (hopefully) sharing things I figure out too.

Nancy

Welcome to the forum Nancy  :wave:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: gladheart on March 06, 2014, 05:59:51 PM
 :wave: Nancy,

Welcome.... Your post reminded me it's been a long time since I've posted and that I'm a newbie in many ways or else just a slow learner....

 :thankyou: Breaktru for this program!!!  It helps me each time I make any e-Juice.  Appreciate the knowledge you have shared in formulating too.

Keep 'tinkering' with amounts of PG/VG and also flavorings.  Wound up diluting honey in PGA because it 'stank' to me.  And made up some Maltol using PGA too.  Believe I finally have a taste that I like, even if the ml &/or % amounts of ingredients may seems 'weird'.  Keep getting the PG lower and bout as low as is easy to use... reckon could go to total VG and dilute it... still occasionally have some side effects if I get e-juice in my mouth over needing to change atomizer or whatever I do to cause the tank to not function as intended...

Using 6 of the 7 flavor lines.  And am glad to have 2 basic recipes to use.  Wound up mixing 2gm menthol crystals in 10ml PGA.  The person using the blend likes the e-juice better than a name brand .... this surely made my day, blessed me to the max to think that I made the e-juice and it was considered better to the person than the name brand.  Believe it was using Breaktru's program  .... just trying to learn to use the program and believe the program has made it possible for me to learn a little bit and make an e-juice with a satisfactory taste to me.  (my personal e-juice blend: Peach, 555, Commercial Tobacco, Malto (PGA dilution), Honey (PGA dilution), and only 5 drops of TA.) And I paid attention to what Eric said about using Peach flavor.

AND, I'm and so grateful to have not smoked a cigarette since 15 of June 2013.  I'd smoked over a pack a day for over 50 years.

... Gave up on adding the amount of PGA and just posted calculated % and it shows 5 drops.  Seems funny how 0.23% TA can make a difference in taste.  Just can't figure out how to put the amount of PGA in alcohol/water in the right place .... don't know how to do alcohol percent of a dispersed amount.  EX: 4 drops honey that is from Wizard Labs dispersed into 400 drops or 10 ml. PGA.  Oh, and long ago using the same dropper each time it came out as 40 drops per ml not 20.  Checked drop count and the same applied with flavors.... weird?  Stay with using syringes and occasionally check weight on digital scale.... go by the syringe because there is a difference in gram weight and ml weight.  Depends upon the ingredient...

Tobacco Absolute is no longer available to order it seems ...

Well, just want to say hi to Nancy.  Thank Breakhru,  and to thank everyone for posting.  I do read posts and truly am grateful for them.  :thankyou: Breaktru and  thank you posters.

Well, this post went from a 'hi' to a rather convoluted post, eh? 

gladheart


Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mr. yuck on March 17, 2014, 09:23:03 PM
 :rockin smiley:  :applaude: well i still have not been able to get the calculator to come up right keep grttin the negative pg error but i was able to successfully mix a 5 ml. test batch that worked out my nic juice is 100%pg tried 50/50 pg/vg mix in the calc.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on March 17, 2014, 10:00:19 PM
List every thing you have and want it to be. Also what you want your target nic and PG/VG ratio to be and I'll post an image of the calculator with the settings.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mr. yuck on March 17, 2014, 10:19:51 PM
nic.54mg/ml 100%pg
nic. target 36 mg
50/50 pg/avg 10 ml.
20% flavor using totally wicked's gold standard flavor
thanks for the help
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on March 18, 2014, 07:30:15 AM
This is the highest VG ratio that you can get out of what your have.
You can't turn water into wine.
Because of the Nic being 100 PG and the small difference from 54mg to 36mg it would be impossible to make a target ratio of 50/50.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: horton on March 18, 2014, 09:21:50 AM
I think everyone can learn from your recent example, Breaktru..... it's one of the clearest ones I've looked at yet.   Thanks very much and also a belated kudo for the new design of the calculator.  I really like the more "horizontal" format!!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mr. yuck on March 18, 2014, 06:46:09 PM
thank you breaktru i see on the right side it shows 0 for pg diluent
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: FluGlone on March 20, 2014, 05:27:46 AM
thank you breaktru i see on the right side it shows 0 for pg diluent

yes NO additional pg will be added by you.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mr. yuck on March 27, 2014, 11:18:52 PM
thanks i'm guessing it's because my nic base is pure pg, it showed in that example a small amount of vg,what if i want more vg, cause from what i have gathered so far pg is more for throat hit where vg is more of the vapor production am i correct in that idea?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on March 27, 2014, 11:59:41 PM
 :wallbash:

   Mr. Yuck:    Most nic is in a 100% PG base.  This is not your problem or everybody would have the problem.  You are hung up on the numbers.  If the calculator tells you you have a negative amount of PG for your mix and your recipe has no wiggle room, change the ratio.  You are looking for a 50/50 PG/VG mix and you don't have enough flavors to offset that pg in the amount of nic you are using.  Change the ratio to 40/60  or start playing with the percentages of the flavors you are using.  Going to a 40/60 ratio, i doubt you will notice the difference.  If you do, add some water or vodka to the recipe.  I suspect you are using low percentages of flavor concentrates in you mix.  If this is the case, increase the % of the flavor concentrates in the mix.  You said you are using TW concentrates.  these are good with regard to increased % of a flavor.  Do not get hung up on numbers.  There are those that swear you can't use more that a 20% flavor profile.  I have developed around 300 unique ready to use flavors for my friend's shop.  Some of these have a 35 or 40% profile.  Since people want to use the juice right away and it is made when they buy it, there is no time for steeping and you mix heavy knowing it is going to mellow as time passes.  Another thing you can do if the ratio is just not right for you.  Add 2 drops of FA's MTS for each 6 ml you are mixing,  If you still have a problem, send me a private message and include a screen shot or picture of the calculator sheet you want to use. but keep getting the neg pg message for.   Hope this helps.

        Eric
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mr. yuck on March 28, 2014, 01:52:40 AM
o.k. at this point i'm not looking to mic different flavors just one flavor at a time until i can begin to mix just one flavor :thankyou:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on March 28, 2014, 10:27:47 AM
 :beer-toast:    ;cheers;

   Yuck, that is very smart, not to mention cool.   But.  Don't get hung up on the numbers.  Especially, mixing singles.  When you mix a single, start with 18 to 22% on your flavor concentrate.  You may find your pg neg. problem goes away.  The only time you want to start with a lower % is if the concentrate is a super concentrate.  Then you will start down around 5%.

    Try this:  Make a 1 ml test batch of:

          13 drops PG  =                           .65ml PG
            6 drops VG  =                           .3ml VG
            1 drop flavor concentrate  =   0.05ml

    That gives you a 5% flavor profile.  For a 10%, add 2 drops of concentrate, etc..  For each added drop of flavor concentrate, eliminate 1 drop of the PG (unless you are buying 100% VG based concentrates.  Then you would eliminate a drop of VG.).  3 drops = 15%, 4 drops  = 20%, etc.  What you have just mixed is a 70/30 test mix.

    This also makes it easier to see why the negative PG message.  (i.e.,  At 50/50 the it would be 10 drops Pg
                                                                                                                                                          10 drops VG
 Add 1 drop of flavor to this flavor concentrate with a VG component and your PG drops below 10 and you get the Negative PG message.  I am not absolutely certain. but I believe that concentrates are made in a base that contains "some" VG.  You can lie to the calculator and the message won't come up.  On each flavor line you use, check the 100% PG box between the flavor name and the % box.  Now you don't get the message, but you really are not 50/50 either.

 Hope this helps.       Eric
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on March 28, 2014, 12:05:03 PM
:beer-toast:    ;cheers;

   Yuck, that is very smart, not to mention cool.   But.  Don't get hung up on the numbers.  Especially, mixing singles.  When you mix a single, start with 18 to 22% on your flavor concentrate.  You may find your pg neg. problem goes away.  The only time you want to start with a lower % is if the concentrate is a super concentrate.  Then you will start down around 5%.

    Try this:  Make a 1 ml test batch of:

          13 drops PG  =                           .65ml PG
            6 drops VG  =                           .3ml VG
            1 drop flavor concentrate  =   0.05ml

    That gives you a 5% flavor profile.  For a 10%, add 2 drops of concentrate, etc..  For each added drop of flavor concentrate, eliminate 1 drop of the PG (unless you are buying 100% VG based concentrates.  Then you would eliminate a drop of VG.).  3 drops = 15%, 4 drops  = 20%, etc.  What you have just mixed is a 70/30 test mix.

    This also makes it easier to see why the negative PG message.  (i.e.,  At 50/50 the it would be 9 drops Pg
                                                                                                                                                          10 drops VG
 Add 1 drop of flavor to this flavor concentrate with a VG component and your PG drops below 10 and you get the Negative PG message.  I am not absolutely certain. but I believe that concentrates are made in a base that contains "some" VG.  You can lie to the calculator and the message won't come up.  On each flavor line you use, check the 100% PG box between the flavor name and the % box.  Now you don't get the message, but you really are not 50/50 either.

 Hope this helps.       Eric
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Dragos on June 10, 2014, 09:32:36 PM
OK I still do not understand why the calculator gives a neg number for pg, when you put that your nic base is 100% VG, your target blend id 100 VG and the flavoring has no pg.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on June 10, 2014, 09:59:10 PM
OK I still do not understand why the calculator gives a neg number for pg, when you put that your nic base is 100% VG, your target blend id 100 VG and the flavoring has no pg.

     :wallbash:   OK.  Had to go experiment with this before I answered.   Look to the right of each of the flavor entries.  There is a box and at the top it says "FLAVOR ZERO PG/VG"  Make sure there is nothing in those boxes where there is a flavor entry.  Next to that is PG 100%  VG 0 %.  This is where your getting the message from.  The program is getting a mixed message and it is choosing what would be a normal condition.  Go to the VG box and change 0% to 100%.  Do this for each place you have a flavor entered.  That will take care of your problem.  Good luck.  I think you will find DIY is a lot of fun.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Dragos on June 10, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
If I uncheck the no vg/pg box and make the vg 100% everything is fine but if you check that box it makes the vg and pg fields 0 and gives you a neg pg. The about says version is 14.0.0.1 Maybe I have have found a bug?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on July 05, 2014, 07:33:06 PM


      Your up Dave.  Be gentle.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on July 05, 2014, 07:39:01 PM


      Your up Dave.  Be gentle.


Hey Eric, I deleted the post. He has posted this before about such a minor difference in PG/VG ratio of nic. It's not worth arguing about.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on July 05, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
Ok, Dave.  It was such a small delta and he even said not counting the flavors.  I love helping the folks, but how many times have all of us gone into the calculator mechanics.  Also, 1000ml:  I suck up a lot of juice, but even I don't go through that much juice a year.

     Ok, Thanks Dave  Eric
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: joshleeman on July 18, 2014, 11:21:44 PM
Search for Flavoring

Looking for a recipe to support your flavors on hand?

Use this: Harddisk Search and Stats Freeware software to find it. http://www.harddisksearch.com/ (http://www.harddisksearch.com/)
This program does not need to be installed. Just extract the file contents into a new folder and create a shortcut to the file HDSearchAndStats.exe
(http://breaktru.com/ejuice/images/recipe_search3.jpg)

Type each flavor on a new line and HDsearch&Stats will search inside the recipe files for your search word or words.

Results:
(http://breaktru.com/ejuice/images/recipe_search1.jpg)
(http://breaktru.com/ejuice/images/recipe_search2.jpg)

Harddrive Search and Stats can be downloaded here: http://www.harddisksearch.com/ (http://www.harddisksearch.com/)

This is absolutely brilliant, such a help for a newbie diyer.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Bruce on July 19, 2014, 08:36:03 AM
 This program is the bomb. It is easy to understand and work with. My problem is not with the calculator at all but lack of experience. Even working with single flavors they taste rather bland and lack sweetness. So I add more flavoring and sweetener, then more and then more. Before long what I am vapping is not even close to the recipe I started with. As of yet I have not made a single brew that was right from the get go. I have adjusted 10 to 15 times some times before I get something I like. I am using only fruit flavors thus far and that is okay because that is what I like but I like them real fruity and rather sweet and seems to be a problem . Any ideas?...............Bruce
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on July 19, 2014, 11:10:31 AM
This program is the bomb. It is easy to understand and work with. My problem is not with the calculator at all but lack of experience. Even working with single flavors they taste rather bland and lack sweetness. So I add more flavoring and sweetener, then more and then more. Before long what I am vapping is not even close to the recipe I started with. As of yet I have not made a single brew that was right from the get go. I have adjusted 10 to 15 times some times before I get something I like. I am using only fruit flavors thus far and that is okay because that is what I like but I like them real fruity and rather sweet and seems to be a problem . Any ideas?...............Bruce

   Bruce:   I don't know whose concentrated flavors you have, so I can not make a blanket statement on the percentage of flavor to use.  What I can do, and this is probably the best thing to get you familiar with the manufactures, is send you out to each manufactures web site and have you find their flavor % recommendation(s).  One of the toughest one to find is FlavorArt.  Most of their flavors are recommended for use at 5 to 15% with an average being 12%.  That's a quote from there site.  Then they turn around and provide different info on (http//www.flavourartexpress.biz/index.php?dispatch+pages.view&page_id=20) site and get more definitive.  Unless someone tells you about this site, you never know to go there.  In two list they still don't cover all concentrate flavors.  I will then go with a test or a test mix at 12% and adjust from there.  I would recommend a single flavor mix of 2 - 3 ml.  Single flavor mixes don't really have to steep.  They can be vaped after mixing with just a good shake and are about all they are going to be after 12 hours.  For more supplier recommendations, Google "Guide To Flavouring" and go to latest updated info.  Nine of the suppliers have provided their recommendations in individual list.  There is also a flavors pairings list you may find interesting.  the Bottom line is go to the site of the supplier(s) of the concentrates you have.  Also as a guideline, check for super concentrates.  These usually start at 2 to 2.5% per 10 ml mix.  Happy Hunting.

        Eric
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: pendragon1950 on July 19, 2014, 01:08:25 PM
love this calculator, maby i'm paranoid but has any one found any information on weather these flavorings are safe for our lungs. as in our stomachs have hydrochloric acid but our lungs do not. i would love to do flavorings but are they safe for our lungs. :Thinking:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on July 19, 2014, 02:19:57 PM
love this calculator, maby i'm paranoid but has any one found any information on weather these flavorings are safe for our lungs. as in our stomachs have hydrochloric acid but our lungs do not. i would love to do flavorings but are they safe for our lungs. :Thinking:

    If you buy flavors concentrates made in the USA, Europe, and from only DeKange or Hugan (I know, I spelled them wrong.  Will correct the spelling in a follow-up post unless someone else put in the correct spelling) in China, you are good unless they are oil based.  DO NOT buy oil based flavors/extracts.  Lor Ann use to have oil based flavors, but I read, just yesterday, they longer offer any oil based concentrates for vaping.  Same article mentioned FlavorArt as offering one or two oil based concentrates, but clearly mark them not for vaping.  VZ's super concentrates are all acceptable as far as I have been able to determine.  Bottom line:  Stay away from Chinese juices and oil based concentrates and you'll be OK.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: pendragon1950 on July 19, 2014, 05:04:43 PM
    If you buy flavors concentrates made in the USA, Europe, and from only DeKange or Hugan (I know, I spelled them wrong.  Will correct the spelling in a follow-up post unless someone else put in the correct spelling) in China, you are good unless they are oil based.  DO NOT buy oil based flavors/extracts.  Lor Ann use to have oil based flavors, but I read, just yesterday, they longer offer any oil based concentrates for vaping.  Same article mentioned FlavorArt as offering one or two oil based concentrates, but clearly mark them not for vaping.  VZ's super concentrates are all acceptable as far as I have been able to determine.  Bottom line:  Stay away from Chinese juices and oil based concentrates and you'll be OK.

thank you very much for the quick response,  but i was actually searching for some links to tests done showing that these food flavorings are harmless to the lungs. i don't think they exist but I'll keep searching.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on July 23, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
thank you very much for the quick response,  but i was actually searching for some links to tests done showing that these food flavorings are harmless to the lungs. i don't think they exist but I'll keep searching.

Pen dragon:   I have been trying to answer your  every since you posted, but the server would not let me.  Kept getting a 403 error code.  There has been somewhere around a 100 to 150 heath test done.  Go to the SFATA or the CASCAA site and check for links to research.  Have run.  Eric
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: pendragon1950 on July 23, 2014, 04:18:42 PM
thank you much, i will.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Darkwater on August 06, 2014, 06:53:21 PM
Hi all, forum newbie here...

I am missing something I am sure, but I cannot figure out how/why the Nic Juice, PG and VG have separate line items in the calculated product.

This is my first batch, so please be patient with me. :wave:

The input asks for only the Nic Juice and flavorings, so how do I calculate what to use to mix, when the PG and VG are listed as separate items? There are no inputs for PG and VG as separates.  Doh:

Sorry if this is a dumb question (most likely) but I am stumped. I thought that the Nic Juice was pre-mixed with all the VG/PG I need. Does this mean that I need 2 more ingredients I had not counted on buying?

I am hoping I did not get my own answer....  :no:
Thanks

D
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on August 06, 2014, 07:35:22 PM
Hi Darkwater and welcome to the forum.
What we are doing is taking a concentrated nicotine liquid and diluting it to a lower level of your choice.
The 1st line of the calc is the strength of your Nicotine liquid and the base percentage of PG and VG. Ex: 100mg in 50/50 PG/VG.
The next line is what we want your eJuice strength to be (Target).
The calculated result shows how much PG and VG to add to your mix to bring down your higher strength Nicotine to a lower strength to vape.

It's not pre-mixed eJuice that you put on the 1st line but unflavored nicotine.
Pure nicotine is 1000mg. If you bought 100mg of unflavored nicotine it would be 10% nicotine. That means it was diluted down. When buying it you have a choice of what was used to cut it down to 10% was. 100% PG, 100% VG or 50/50.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Darkwater on August 06, 2014, 08:06:54 PM
Hi

So what I am hearing you say is that I cannot use this calculator with a premix base/nic, unless there is some formula that I can use to simulate the PG/VG numbers the recipe calc is looking for, in order to come out 0% for both? Is that correct? The base I am using is supposed just need flavoring to vape it. I am just needing a calculator to give me the amounts of each  flavor to produce the recipe. Am I right or am I still missing something.

If I was using a nic concentrate, with PG and VG as separate ingredients, the calc would work as designed. But with a base that  is customized with the target VG/PG and nicotine levels already in the base, the calculator cannot determine just the flavor levels needed? Or did it anyway?

Can I just take the calculated Nic, PG & VG and add them together and assume that is the amount of pre-mix base to use, along with the flavor results as shown in the calculation? It comes out to 80% and the flavors add the other 20%?

Thanks

Doug
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on August 06, 2014, 08:34:23 PM
Give me the details on what you have and what you want it to be. There is a Tool in the calc that may help.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on August 07, 2014, 12:07:04 AM
Hi

So what I am hearing you say is that I cannot use this calculator with a premix base/nic, unless there is some formula that I can use to simulate the PG/VG numbers the recipe calc is looking for, in order to come out 0% for both? Is that correct? The base I am using is supposed just need flavoring to vape it. I am just needing a calculator to give me the amounts of each  flavor to produce the recipe. Am I right or am I still missing something.

If I was using a nic concentrate, with PG and VG as separate ingredients, the calc would work as designed. But with a base that  is customized with the target VG/PG and nicotine levels already in the base, the calculator cannot determine just the flavor levels needed? Or did it anyway?

Can I just take the calculated Nic, PG & VG and add them together and assume that is the amount of pre-mix base to use, along with the flavor results as shown in the calculation? It comes out to 80% and the flavors add the other 20%?

Thanks

Doug

  Doug,  Maybe I can shed a little light on this, as I premix my PG/VG and use the as a unit.  I use a 70/30 PG/VG diluent, so that (70/30) gets entered into the calculator's "Target PG and VG" ration space at the bottom the left hand side of the form.  You can also hardwire the nicotine content of "your" pre-mix in the top two entry spaces on that left side.  Now, do nothing else until you do a save as to your data base (.rec in my case) under the filename of Blank Recipe Form.  Whenever you do a recipe, start with this form.  Add your flavors and their % and hit calculate.  You will get a PF number and a VG number in the ratio you have in you pre-mix.  Add those three numbers together and that is how much PG/VG/Nic pre-mix you add to you graduate.   After adding the flavor concentrates, you will have a juice with the proper ratio or so close you will know the difference.    I tried to give you a screen shot to show you what I was talking about, but I never can get it to work.  HELP DAVE.   

   Give that a try and I think you will be another happy DIYer,

           Eric


 
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: chrissy on August 08, 2014, 01:56:08 PM
Hi All,

just looking for confirmation i have done this right before i poison myself :)

i am getting a message about negative VG.
i am using 72mg nicotine in VG
flavouring in PG.
i'm trying to make 10ml, 24mg strength as a tester with a target ratio of 70pg/30vg. this is where i get the negative vg warning.
i have adjusted the target ratio to 65pg/35vg and this will shows % fine but the vg looks a little low.
Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere.

Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on August 08, 2014, 03:38:04 PM
Hi All,

just looking for confirmation i have done this right before i poison myself :)

i am getting a message about negative VG.
i am using 72mg nicotine in VG
flavouring in PG.
i'm trying to make 10ml, 24mg strength as a tester with a target ratio of 70pg/30vg. this is where i get the negative vg warning.
i have adjusted the target ratio to 65pg/35vg and this will shows % fine but the vg looks a little low.
Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere.



Hi chrissy. Welcome to the forum.

Your 72mg is 100% VG so turning the final mix into 24mg at 70% PG is impossible.
72mg Nic to a target Nic of 24mg doesn't allow room to swing a high VG to a high PG target. If however your Nic was 100mg of 100% VG, it would be possible to achieve a target ratio of 70/30 because there is more dilution between 100 to 24 than 72 to 24.  Or if your target Nic strength was 21.57mg.
The best you could do with that is 66.65% PG
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Jean on February 23, 2015, 07:25:30 PM
I am new at this, what I did was made my base with the pg, vg and flavoring.  now what I need to know is how much nicotine do I add without losing the flavor.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on February 24, 2015, 08:51:38 AM
I am new at this, what I did was made my base with the pg, vg and flavoring.  now what I need to know is how much nicotine do I add without losing the flavor.

Hi Jean and welcome to the forum.

Anything added to your base will dilute the flavoring. How much dilution depends on how much Nic your adding which is dictated by the Nic strength you're adding and what your Nic target will be.

Using the tool Nic Combine will tell you how much nic to add.

What is your Nic Strength, Nic Target, Nic PG/VG ratio, your base PG/VG ratio and what quantity do you want to end up with?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: horton on February 24, 2015, 09:51:31 AM
I tried to figure out an answer to Jean's question using Nic Combine, but kept getting myself into "trouble".  I wasn't sure how to deal with the initial 0 nic sol'n already made (which I thought I needed to use).  I know there is a way, but I was missing how to do it.   I'll be curious to see how this works so I can use it myself.   
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: w00tie on February 28, 2015, 09:01:37 PM
Hi, i'm a early user of this great piece of software and i've been mixing by weight since a very long time now.
The latest update makes me so happy...

Assuming that pg weight = 1.036gr/ml - vg weight = 1.2613gr/ml and nic weight (can slightly differ from the purity of the product) = 1.01gr/ml ...
I always used a spreadsheet to calculate the exact ratio in the past... and the end result of nic base is quite different from what i get in Ejuice Me Up

For example .. let's say 10ml of 100% PG 100mg/nic base should be following my calculation 10.36gr but eJuice me up gives me 10.1gr.

What is the nic calculation algorithm behind de weight calculation in EJuice ?

Great Great soft btw..

Cheerz,

w00tie
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on March 01, 2015, 08:47:42 AM
w00tie,
The grams weight are set by going to the menu "Tools", "Set Grams".
Grams are calculated by the ml result times the Set Grams entry.
If you used 1.01 for your grams entry then 10 ml would be 10.1gr. (10 x 1.01 = 10.1)

Update:

Weigh out a ml of each liquid and add the gram weight by going to the menu item "Tools", "Gram Set".
If you do this for your "Default" then when you create recipes that data will be intact.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: w00tie on March 01, 2015, 10:10:10 AM
w00tie,
The grams weight are set by going to the menu "Tools", "Set Grams".
Grams are calculated by the ml result times the Set Grams entry.
If you used 1.01 for your grams entry then 10 ml would be 10.1gr. (10 x 1.01 = 10.1)

I see... i just assumed that the weight was calculated based on the "grams" of PG/VG/NIC entered in the Grams window.

From there the confusion I think...

It should be nice to have a direct grams input for the weight of the base instead of going into a submenu coz when working with different base it can be  a source of error imho. (or at least have a reminder in the main window about the weight).

Regards,



Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: botakvape on May 25, 2015, 07:16:11 PM
Hi, i have version 15.4.3.0 on Windows 7 and i have issue printing Image since i updated to this version (Grams Tab).
Part of the page is missing.

Please advise.
Thank you.

Oh, any way to remove "grams tab"?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on May 26, 2015, 07:01:52 PM
Hi, i have version 15.4.3.0 on Windows 7 and i have issue printing Image since i updated to this version (Grams Tab).
Part of the page is missing.

Please advise.
Thank you.

Oh, any way to remove "grams tab"?


When I added the grams weight I had to make the window wider and never tested the "Print Image" which is something I never use.
Anyway, I fixed the "Print Image" so it will print the entire window. Download and install the new version 15.5. You can install it over your existing version without removing the previous one and your recipes will still remain.

Sorry, the gram tab is not removable.

Thanks Botakvape for your feedback.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: botakvape on May 26, 2015, 07:07:30 PM
Thank you very for the quick update!

FIXED!

Appreciate it!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: botakvape on May 26, 2015, 09:04:28 PM
You got PM   :wave:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: botakvape on June 12, 2015, 07:55:06 PM
Run into a little problem while trying to open an "rec" file.
Appreciate if i can get some help.

TIA!



(http://i.imgur.com/rKDTLjz.jpg)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on June 12, 2015, 08:37:08 PM
Are you opening the rec file in eJuice Me Up using File Open?
Why is the error pointing to your download folder and not the eJuice Me Up installed folder?

It's looking for the file "Default.dft" which means that the EJMU software is not opening the file. Are you trying to open the rec file by another means?

Recipe files are not to be opened by any other method other then through the EJMU program via File, Open.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: botakvape on June 13, 2015, 01:53:49 PM
Thx for the reply.

I'm trying to open a file from window search......hope it makes sense.

Thx.

Aww.... i figured out. I save the file in ejuicemeup and open within the caculator, works fine now.
Thanks again!!!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Thunderball on July 06, 2015, 02:52:59 PM
Help.....Am experiencing Problems  Moving / Saving recipies. I would first like to THANK YOU very much for this calculator. I have been using this for over two years and absolutely love it. Wouldnt want to mix without this program.
 
Now my problem and If it has been answered already, I just havent found it or didnt understand it so ....sorry in advance.

So, I am wanting to put my hard work of saving recipes on another computer to save all of this and I figured that I could just copy and paste the recipie files but I cant seem to be able to copy and move them. It seems like Ive done this before, but Im having problems now.

I have around 250 or more saved recipies and went in today to try to move it all. By the way, I see you have made it fit 10 flavors......MUCH THANKS for the upgrade. Now, if you can tell an old man how to move my recipies and your Ejuiceme up calculator to a new computer, It would be much appreciated.

PS.. or maybe put it all in a zip drive that I can use when mixing on my daughters computer at her house.  ;cheers;

Thanks
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: banditruss on July 06, 2015, 02:58:45 PM
hi
easy enough :) go into your c drive ,then programs folder,then breaktru folder ,then ejuice me up folder ...dah dah there are your recipes just move them onto usb ,or whatever your using ...hope that helps :)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Thunderball on July 06, 2015, 03:14:00 PM
Thank you from across the pond.   :thumbsup: That worked like a champ. I was tring to do that from the opened Ejuicmeup progam from my desk top and not the actual program files.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: banditruss on July 06, 2015, 04:08:33 PM
hi no problem at all ...glad to help :)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: flexy123 on July 27, 2015, 09:51:13 AM
This calculator is more complicated (and confusing) than necessary - this is a shame seeing this is the most popular e-juice calc out there.

The calculator assumes that everyone uses one "Nic Base" and then a separate PG and one VG base. But this is an old-fashioned way to mix and I believe many more people today mix with pre-made bases, like I do with one 50/50 with NIC and then one 50/50 with 0 NIC.

(In fact I dont see any point whatsoever to have three bases, one NIC base and one VG and one PG? I would always mix with two, one with a certain percentage of NIC and the other 0).

So, out of the box the calculator shows me values for "Nicotine Ejuice" and then PG and VG separate and only with a trick/workaround you can use it to work with TWO bases: When you set PG both on the left, to 100% (Nic strength and Target PG).

It would be VERY simple since you only need to add maybe one line showing the total of PG/VG, rather than showing two individual values for PG and VG. (The people who mix with one NIC base and one Zero base will be confused since "PG" and "VG" doesn't mean anything for them respective it is not relevant, since we dont mix any PG and VG.)

In fact In consider how it is right now almost a little "dangerous" since we're dealing with Nicotine here which is hazardous and there is no need to make things more complicated than it need be!

The above with a line showing a total for 0mg base (and possible alternative labels for "PG" and "VG" under a new, more clearer name like "0 Nic base" instead) could also be realized if your calc just had a check box where people could specify at the beginning whether they actually use a "nic base" and a PG base AND a VG base to mix...or simply (how I think most do) with TWO bases. And to be honest, I would actually set a mixing method "two pre-mixed bases" as default. (And then show PG and VG mix percentages of course only to those who actually mix PG and VG, otherwise simply the total for 0mg NIC base).

I am just writing this since I consider the workaround with setting PG to 100% (to get ONE value rather than two separate) not really a solution.
Otherwise your calc is great, I just don't understand why it doesn't support mixing with two bases.

Some other things. NOT to be picky, just constructive :)

* Pressing "Calculate" to calculate.... WHY? Can it be updated in real time? This SCREAMS for mistakes when people forget to press the button.
* "grams" are always at 0. (Doesn't matter for me but is just odd it doesn't show any values)
* "Ratio you want your recipe to be" <---- Nice to have maybe as an "advanced option" but entirely unnecessary  and also confusing for "simple" mixing. Again something which makes things more complicated than they SHOULD be

When I mix a 50/50 (or whatever percentage) NIC base and my 50/50 (or whatever) ZERO base I am not interested in "what I want it to be" respective it's entirely pointless. This value is already predetermined, juice will be the percentage of the two bases (in this case 50% PG and 50% VG) and then with the dilution when you maybe add water (vodka etc) and then the flavor. It will likely end up something like 47/47...but this is nothing I have control over (with just two bases) nor am I really interested in this value. (Eg. I cannot specify "I want it to be" 70% PG if I only use two bases with 50/50.) See above, this "what I want it to be" should be an option for those who mix with NIC, PG and VG and it shouldn't even come up as default option someone needs to set to use the calc. The result is entirely needless problems with seeing error messages and running into negative values etc...for something many people don't even need!

Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: elzakivis on July 30, 2015, 11:27:11 AM
I don't find the EJMU calc confusing at all after reviewing the how to thread. I've been using it from day 1. I did find other calcs confusing though.
IMO I do not think that not using a pre-mix method is an old fashion way of mixing. I think rather that it is a preference for some.

If you use a pre-mix of nic and PG/VG enter the nic strength on first line and zero on in the target nic strength line.

As for the 0 for the grams, peoples scales may not be calibrated the same if a given gram weight was given.
breaktru mentioned it here: http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,1569.0.html
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Erck89 on July 30, 2015, 12:34:03 PM
This calculator is more complicated (and confusing) than necessary - this is a shame seeing this is the most popular e-juice calc out there.

The calculator assumes that everyone uses one "Nic Base" and then a separate PG and one VG base. But this is an old-fashioned way to mix and I believe many more people today mix with pre-made bases, like I do with one 50/50 with NIC and then one 50/50 with 0 NIC.

(In fact I dont see any point whatsoever to have three bases, one NIC base and one VG and one PG? I would always mix with two, one with a certain percentage of NIC and the other 0).

So, out of the box the calculator shows me values for "Nicotine Ejuice" and then PG and VG separate and only with a trick/workaround you can use it to work with TWO bases: When you set PG both on the left, to 100% (Nic strength and Target PG).

It would be VERY simple since you only need to add maybe one line showing the total of PG/VG, rather than showing two individual values for PG and VG. (The people who mix with one NIC base and one Zero base will be confused since "PG" and "VG" doesn't mean anything for them respective it is not relevant, since we dont mix any PG and VG.)

In fact In consider how it is right now almost a little "dangerous" since we're dealing with Nicotine here which is hazardous and there is no need to make things more complicated than it need be!

The above with a line showing a total for 0mg base (and possible alternative labels for "PG" and "VG" under a new, more clearer name like "0 Nic base" instead) could also be realized if your calc just had a check box where people could specify at the beginning whether they actually use a "nic base" and a PG base AND a VG base to mix...or simply (how I think most do) with TWO bases. And to be honest, I would actually set a mixing method "two pre-mixed bases" as default. (And then show PG and VG mix percentages of course only to those who actually mix PG and VG, otherwise simply the total for 0mg NIC base).

I am just writing this since I consider the workaround with setting PG to 100% (to get ONE value rather than two separate) not really a solution.
Otherwise your calc is great, I just don't understand why it doesn't support mixing with two bases.

Some other things. NOT to be picky, just constructive :)

* Pressing "Calculate" to calculate.... WHY? Can it be updated in real time? This SCREAMS for mistakes when people forget to press the button.
* "grams" are always at 0. (Doesn't matter for me but is just odd it doesn't show any values)
* "Ratio you want your recipe to be" <---- Nice to have maybe as an "advanced option" but entirely unnecessary  and also confusing for "simple" mixing. Again something which makes things more complicated than they SHOULD be

When I mix a 50/50 (or whatever percentage) NIC base and my 50/50 (or whatever) ZERO base I am not interested in "what I want it to be" respective it's entirely pointless. This value is already predetermined, juice will be the percentage of the two bases (in this case 50% PG and 50% VG) and then with the dilution when you maybe add water (vodka etc) and then the flavor. It will likely end up something like 47/47...but this is nothing I have control over (with just two bases) nor am I really interested in this value. (Eg. I cannot specify "I want it to be" 70% PG if I only use two bases with 50/50.) See above, this "what I want it to be" should be an option for those who mix with NIC, PG and VG and it shouldn't even come up as default option someone needs to set to use the calc. The result is entirely needless problems with seeing error messages and running into negative values etc...for something many people don't even need!

Flexy:  Not to burst your bubble, but this is the most popular calculator of all for a reason.  It is easy to use and adaptable.  Give it a chance.  I honestly don't believe you can tell the difference between a 50/50 mix and a 47/47 mix.  I have been using this calculator since I started mixing 3 years ago and found only one problem.  That was fixed recently with the ability to use 10 flavor concentrates instead of just seven.  Please don't be so quick to criticise.  If you have a problem, ask a question.  There is no one on this forum that would not help you.  Many times you get more help than you can handle.  Your premix base problem, many of us have been there and found how restrictive it is for a serious flavorist and went back to individual ingredients.  Premixes are shortcuts and you can never get nano fine.  Since the concentrates are in (usually) a PG base, the calculator knows that and adjust to maintain your desired ratio, weather it be 50/50 ,40/60, 70/30 or anything along the line.  If you let the calculator do it's job, you will not get wrapped around the axle and you will enjoy mixing a lot more.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: w00tie on July 30, 2015, 12:53:19 PM
I cant agree more with Erck89, this is by far one of the most complete ejuice mixing tool around.
Weight mixing and 10 flavors (although i need more) are the latest great additions and last but not least : It's free!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: vapemistress on July 30, 2015, 07:31:16 PM
I see it as straight forward and only had a slight learning curve using the breaktru's calculator. Before I used this calculator I had whipped up a pre-mix but soon discovered that the more flavoring I added the more I was diluting my nicotine level. I scrapped the pre-mix for mixing separately and I don't find it a problem adding pg and vg separately. With certain flavored ejuice recipes I prefer different nicotine levels.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: dc99 on August 23, 2015, 10:09:21 PM
Breaktru, can the calculator do volume by weight? I know it says gram on it but I cant figure out how to make it come on. I switched my mixing form needles to weight and all the calculations drive me nuts.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on August 24, 2015, 04:51:23 PM
Unless your EJMU calc is several versions old, you go to "Tools", "Grams Set" and enter your values then click "OK".
After entering values, go to the top menu "File", "Save As Default" keeping the file name "Default.dft" so that the calc will remember the settings for each new recipe you create.
If it's an existing recipe, you will have to enter the gram weights then save the recipe to retain.

What I do is measure out "1ml" of each liquid (without needle) and weigh it. This way you don't have to worry if your scale is calibrated or not.
Don't use gram weight measurements that others have said are correct for a particular liquid. The proof is in what you weighed. Example: It is said that 1ml of water equals 1 gram. With my cheap scale it measured 1.08 grams. You also have to take into consideration the needle diameter and length.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: gladheart on August 31, 2015, 01:12:28 AM
Weighed a 1ml syringe with the blunt tipped needle, zeroed that out.  Filled the 1 ml. syringe with Nicotine  VG, and it weighed 2gm.

Very grateful to have the directions about going to tools and to weigh each item and entering to have the gram weights. 
 
Weighing the syringe then zeroing the weight of the syringe and weighing the VG nicotine let me put the nicotine back into the container for future use.  It is easy to rinse the syringe and needle and use a paper towel and a Q tip to dry the syringe and then proceed to the next ingredient. 

A penny saved is a penny earned still applies after all these years  :)

 :thankyou: Breaktru
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mattyboy on September 28, 2015, 06:09:16 PM
hi ive been using this app for a few weeks now and i love it definatlly the best out there but i have just started mixing by weight and each time i have to manually put the seperate measurments in to get the gram readings up on the calculator is there any way to stop this happening ie save them so it does this for me many thanks matt
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on September 28, 2015, 06:38:01 PM
hi ive been using this app for a few weeks now and i love it definatlly the best out there but i have just started mixing by weight and each time i have to manually put the seperate measurments in to get the gram readings up on the calculator is there any way to stop this happening ie save them so it does this for me many thanks matt

When you 1st open eJuice Me Up, enter your gram values w/ Tools, Gram set.
After entering values, Go to File, Save As Default. The file name should be saved as "Default.dft"  so that the calc will remember the settings for each new recipe you create.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: mattyboy on September 28, 2015, 06:44:00 PM
great i did it literally 2 seconds before that comment thank you just trying to figure out how to save etc now wicked programme
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: MikeQ on November 13, 2015, 10:27:23 AM
IMHO the best Calculator out there for me,It does everything I need.Simple to understand,easy to use.I love the fact it comes  full of recipes and you can save your own plus tweak any to your own taste.I made a small donation (What I would spend on a bottle of E-Juice) Well worth it IMHO,I save so much $$ doing DYI plus all the hard work that went into making the program. If everyone that use's and likes the calculator donated what they would spend on just one bottle of e-juice,It would help,Just think of how much we save doing DYI,It cost me less than $2.00 to make a 30mil e-juice.HUGE Saving's  :thankyou:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on November 13, 2015, 10:47:38 AM
Thanks MikeQ. Glad that my eJuice Me Up calculator is helpful.
Also, thank you very much for your donation and good luck w/ your DIY eJuice making.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: baddmove on November 17, 2015, 05:26:47 PM
Hi BT, My son in law did something to my PC and now when I open the files it goes to a folder in my downloads and no matter where i look I can't find the recipes that come wit it. I did a uninstall and re-installed it but same issue.. any ideas?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on November 17, 2015, 06:10:38 PM
baddmove,
The recipes will be in the folder that eJuice Me up was installed in. Go to File, Open and navigate to the folder: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Breaktru Software\eJuice Me Up".
This is the default folder. If you installed to a different folder, navigate to it instead.
Once you open and/or save to the folder that the recipes are in, the calculator will remember the location next time it is opened. Perhaps your son in law tried to open a file with ejuice me up in your download folder. That's why it is directed to that folder when you click File, Open.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: baddmove on November 17, 2015, 08:52:12 PM
OK, got it, thank you very much!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Marco on November 29, 2015, 04:45:06 AM
Quick question, as I haven't done much DIY lately and after a fresh install, I'm trying to setup EJM  :help:

In the Grams Set dialog: is the weight for Nicotine designated for pure nicotine or for the Nicotine base I'm using?

(http://i.imgur.com/HHcSDXz.png)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Marco on November 29, 2015, 05:06:26 AM
I assume it's meant for Nic Base, but shouldn't the field be named accordingly?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on November 29, 2015, 06:11:44 AM
Marco, it's the Nic you are adding.
Every ingredient shown in the gram tool will be what you are adding.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Marco on November 29, 2015, 06:15:46 AM
So it's the weight of the nicotine base as I assumed? The ready to use nic base, I mean?

The app doesn't calculate the weight of the nic base your adding in the main screen, based on pure nic weight, pg and vg weight, I assume? Sorry, English isn't my main language, but I just have to make sure I'm using the correct values here.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on November 29, 2015, 06:44:17 AM
Yes Marco the ready to use nic base.
When you first start up eJuice Me Up before entering a recipe, enter your gram weights that you measured out and click on: "File", "Save as Default". Keep the file name as "Default.dft".
This way each time you create a recipe the gram weights will be intact.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Marco on November 29, 2015, 09:39:16 AM
Thanks for clarifying Breaktru!

Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: jullikidd on December 16, 2015, 05:03:14 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO set grams
Post by: leadpipe58 on January 12, 2016, 08:00:37 PM
Hello
 I add the values in the gram set and works fine till i close the program.I open it again and I have to add the gram values again.
How do I get it to keep the settings?must I add them every time I open it?

   Thank you for your help..
 
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on January 12, 2016, 10:08:59 PM
leadpipe58 ,
Read the post 4 up from this post (reply #240)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: koolvapesuite on June 16, 2016, 10:02:54 AM
Lots of lovely information here! Great post, Cheers!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: el2pua1 on July 10, 2016, 03:17:50 PM
I would like to know why is it that when I make a batch of ejuice I notice that it does not fill up the bottle size I'm using whether it's 15 or 30 ml correctly? I notice that it is always short of the capacity of the bottle being used.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on July 10, 2016, 04:25:20 PM
I would like to know why is it that when I make a batch of ejuice I notice that it does not fill up the bottle size I'm using whether it's 15 or 30 ml correctly? I notice that it is always short of the capacity of the bottle being used.

What are you measuring with?
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: norwegianvaper on September 03, 2016, 04:48:25 AM
How do I update to the latest version of  the excellent Break Trough software? I have version 15.5.4.0 but there is a newer Latest Version 16.2.0. Is there a download place for this. I could not find any update links   :wallbash:

Cheers and all the best to all of you from a mixer nob from Norway   :beer-toast:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on September 03, 2016, 08:16:00 AM
You can over install it and it will perform an upgrade to your existing version.
You're existing recipes will remain and not be lost.
Download link: http://breaktru.com/ejuicemeup.zip
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: norwegianvaper on September 03, 2016, 03:06:12 PM
Thank you very much. This did the job.  :)
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: rob on November 27, 2016, 11:40:59 AM
Hi, first of great piece of software, have used it for a few years now and still my prefered calculator, but have a couple of problems.
Have set the grams and saved as default but when I open one of the preinstalled  rec files it reads 0 grams. How do you set it to automatically display the preset weight when opening these files.
Another problem I have is regarding the set nic weight, I use mainly pg nic but occassionaly use vg nic for high vg mixes and quite often forget to adjust the nic weight. Is it possible to add another field to accomadate the two bases.
Also would it also be possible to set the calculator to show a bulk mix for just a flavour base  to be mixed with pg/vg/nic at a latter stage, (if you see what I mean). At the mo have been exporting to another calculator to get the one shot mixes, would be nice to have everything in one place
Thanks
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on November 27, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
Hey Rob,
The existing recipes are saved w/ zero gram settings and will have to be set to your gram weights. Sorry.

I'll consider a feature for the VG and PG nic difference for a future update.

Also will look into a pre-mix option. Thanks for your input Rob.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: rob on November 28, 2016, 12:30:36 PM
Thanks Breaktru
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Randy WS6 on December 07, 2016, 06:03:58 PM
Hi, first of great piece of software, have used it for a few years now and still my prefered calculator, but have a couple of problems.
Have set the grams and saved as default but when I open one of the preinstalled  rec files it reads 0 grams. How do you set it to automatically display the preset weight when opening these files.
Another problem I have is regarding the set nic weight, I use mainly pg nic but occassionaly use vg nic for high vg mixes and quite often forget to adjust the nic weight. Is it possible to add another field to accomadate the two bases.
Also would it also be possible to set the calculator to show a bulk mix for just a flavour base  to be mixed with pg/vg/nic at a latter stage, (if you see what I mean). At the mo have been exporting to another calculator to get the one shot mixes, would be nice to have everything in one place
Thanks

Im having the same problem , we need a separate (PG) & (VG) NICOTINE weight , in the GRAM SET . I use 100mg per mL in PG & VG to get my percentages right and some times I for get to change it   :wallbash:. My (VG) weight is 1.235 grams per mL and my (PG) is 1.035 per mL. so the difference is 0.200 and causes a over or under on my nic mix.  But the calculator is grate and is the only one i use  :rockin smiley:
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: beezo777 on March 18, 2017, 04:52:11 PM
Becoming a big fan of the app. I love that I can save my recipe stats and just open a particular one when I need it.

My problem, I can't figure out how to get the recipe calculation data out of the app. Is there a way to copy&paste the output table into a word document for example?

I make a lot of juice all at once. Several different recipes. So I always get on my computer and put together a "Mix Plan" before going down to the lab. I would hate to have to use a whole sheet of paper for each bottle that I'm making.

Let me know!
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on March 18, 2017, 05:32:35 PM
Welcome to the forum beezo.
The software can only print one recipe at a time.
Perhaps printing on the back side of the paper will cut your paper use to half.
Sorry beezo.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: jason66 on March 22, 2017, 07:39:38 PM
Hi!!
Great calculator ! !! Thanks for the effort.
I have a question / problem. When I print a recipe, the flavour name overlaps onto my ml's. :(
I tried to print landscape, but the same result ......
Am I missing something????
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: Breaktru on March 22, 2017, 09:05:00 PM
Hi Jason. Welcome to the forum. Glad you like the calculator.
Perhaps the flavoring name is too long. Try abbreviating it. The character space allowed is limited in order to fit.
Title: Re: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO
Post by: FruittyLoopz on May 19, 2017, 01:00:12 PM
Is there anyone no about diy e-liquid calculator please maybe with skype?