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Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« on: January 16, 2014, 04:21:15 PM »
Break to be honest your a wealthy guy.  Ya did it first and sorted it..
People have been on his waiting list for a year and a half, 150 people  paid in full for this mod. 
He finally has it all sorted heres the stats..










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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2014, 04:28:44 PM »
To quench their thirst for this mod he sent everyone who purchased it a  vv unit to hold them over until his awesome was done. 
Its two mods in one so to speak..

The gi1... variable voltage .. can fire sub ohms up to .4

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2014, 05:24:53 PM »
hahhaha

seen this mod and really really wanted it..

maybe someday breaktru will make something in mass production or limited sets for people like me who are electronically incapacitated to make such great mods :)

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2014, 07:32:30 PM »
Yeah I've seen it too. Thank God I can make my own stuff. I can't imagine  paying so much for the tech mods out there.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2014, 11:04:48 PM »
Cool looking mod.  It's the price of some of these that turns me off...not that they aren't worth it, just that I'm poor.  It's the main reason I build my own (other than it's fun :D)

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2014, 04:18:54 AM »
I don't know, didn't see any prices on that FB page.  For low production, high quality stuff it's always going to be expensive. 

In terms of that particular mod, I don't know that I'd be willing to take on that amount of bulk only for a range of power I wouldn't really need.  It's the size limitations that bring about the power limitations.  The trick is to make it powerful ~and~ small.  Of course it depends on the person, some people don't care about the heft of a mod as much as others, but for me, I like my devices as small and light as possible for a given run time.  The heaviest mod I use is 155g and that one's about my limit.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2014, 07:41:58 AM »
I seen it for $300 for a pre-order

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2014, 09:55:47 AM »
Good point Craig.  I think if I was going to shell out some $$ for a quality mod it would be the ZNA once it hit the market.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2014, 01:52:31 PM »
Even if you don't need the power, it does have a really nice display and some interesting bells and whistles.  Though that stuff is rather secondary.  I've seen that before where too much design effort is put into secondary features and not enough into primary ones.  For me the priority is comfort, run time, output performance, and convenience.  Features not directly related to using the thing to vape I can take or leave, usually leave.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2014, 04:08:21 PM »
i guess its the same reason why people buy a ferrari...
you just need to buy a fast car ayt??
hahahhaha

veryy cool bell adn whistles...veryu appealing to young people like me..

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2014, 06:35:03 PM »
He let the customers decide what it had with ohms law being a given.  I asked for a  ejuice profile setting, and recipe memory  .. 

Its truly built by the customers -- he just amped it up to the sky as a surprise last addition..  I think he said originally it would be 70-80 watts..


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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2014, 06:41:48 PM »
Even if you don't need the power, it does have a really nice display and some interesting bells and whistles.  Though that stuff is rather secondary.  I've seen that before where too much design effort is put into secondary features and not enough into primary ones.  For me the priority is comfort, run time, output performance, and convenience.  Features not directly related to using the thing to vape I can take or leave, usually leave.

Ya, there is no sale info's that we like..  lol
Battery run time-- 10 minutes lol  10k mah

The whole no batts on a plane made him change the whole design to 18650
How much sag, how hot does the board get, etc etc

consumers are awesome they mostly see bells and whistles. 

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2014, 02:47:35 AM »
I seen it for $300 for a pre-order

I've seen quite a few DNA20 mods sell for the exact same amount, so this sucker is a BARGAIN compared to the DNA's.

Takes 2 18650's too....niiice.

Dunno why anybody would wanna but a device that capable of jump-starting your car...but whatever man.  :laughing:

I'd much rather have Craig's device!

Now we just gotta get him to mass produce it.  :yes"
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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2014, 03:15:11 AM »
Sadly...it's devices like this one that are going to be the direct cause if extreme government regulation of the vaping industry.



Cuz any lunk-head that would vape 4 coils at damn near 20 amps....is gonna poison themselves!

Devices like this should honestly be banned....too many moron kids out there.

Last thing we need is an idiot dying from acute nicotine poisoning from vaping on a device like this one.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2014, 04:25:45 AM »
@Times by the time they are able to build a 4 coiler they know better for the most part either 2mg or 0mg nic.

If someone nic poisons themselves -- whoa  gov could care less.
More people get stepped on and deaded by cows each year..




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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2014, 02:32:39 PM »
Looking at that atomizer, wow, that's a beast. 

I don't know that I'd get overly concerned about people vaping themselves to death with a rig like that.  I mean, you could do the same thing with a more typical rig vaping overly high nic.  Any vaper who knows what they're doing is going to adjust nic level proportionally to vapor production.  I know I have to do that myself. 

There's always going to be people using products beyond their intended function in stupid ways, that happens all the time, just go to YouTube.  Generally the Feds don't get involved unless it becomes a political vehicle to advance some kind of agenda.  Almost always, they use public safety as lip service to smokescreen an ulterior motive.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2014, 03:19:53 PM »
Any vaper who knows what they're doing is going to adjust nic level proportionally to vapor production.  I know I have to do that myself.

Aaah, yea...key point right there!

The younger, more daring (and stupid) crowd generally don't stop to think about what they're doing when showing off.

"Hey guys, watch me vape 36mg at 100 watts..."

And then keal over and go into convulsions and croak.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2014, 04:17:50 PM »
Yes, that's a possibility, but protecting people from themselves is a double edge sword.  It comes at the cost of people who use products responsibly.  It truly amazes me the stupidity level of some people.  That has been made apprent so obviously through platforms provided by sites like YouTube and Facebook.  It seems people do stupid things solely for the notoriety they get through those sites, which is even more stupid.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2014, 05:52:41 PM »
The point that I was trying to make was...why have a device that maxes out at 100 watts if a vaper could never SAFELY use it?

Even with zero nic or straight PG/VG, that can't be good!

It would be like adding on an explosive device & detonator to your PV.

Why even have it unless the user intends on using it for suicide purposes, know what I mean?

It just a dangerous device that serves no purpose other than death and in all honesty should be banned.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2014, 06:02:44 PM »
If someone nic poisons themselves -- whoa  gov could care less.

If somebody dies from the use of this device, I can pretty much guarantee that the FDA would come down so damned hard on vaping devices that anything with a regulator inside of it would be outlawed!

And in case you haven't noticed...

A law was already enacted to BAN all e-cig devices that were not made or already in the marketplace before 2007.

This was part of the FDA deeming laws that were supposed to have taken affect back in November.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2014, 06:24:10 PM »
Darwin

I agree it is too much power but not my biznuss 
heck I have a 50 watter and thats is not enough for me now  :help:

Not scared of the gov im almost off nic and onto 0mg.  :wave:

There is absolutely no grounds to stand on otherwise..

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2014, 06:35:48 PM »
 
heck I have a 50 watter and thats is not enough for me now  :help:

Not scared of the gov im almost off nic and onto 0mg.  :wave:

You may not be scared, but the rest of us RESPONSIBLE vapers that use it for it's designed purpose and help smokers quit...are scared to death that the young LUNK-HEAD crowd is gonna ruin a good thing for the rest of us....cuz they haven't got enough brains in their head to know how to be responsible.

Vaping at 50 watts is brain-dead dumb, you're flirting with death.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2014, 07:24:19 PM »
You may not be scared, but the rest of us RESPONSIBLE vapers that use it for it's designed purpose and help smokers quit...are scared to death that the young LUNK-HEAD crowd is gonna ruin a good thing for the rest of us....cuz they haven't got enough brains in their head to know how to be responsible.

Vaping at 50 watts is brain-dead dumb, you're flirting with death.

Sorry Times when ya dont know about it you will spout misinformation.

A quad vape @ 50 watts is cool as a cucumber cooler than a 8 watt vape if you build it right


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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2014, 07:59:29 PM »
Geebus dude, are you that freakin stupid?

You'd be vaping 6.5 times more nicotine than an 8 watt single coil....LUNK-HEAD!



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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2014, 08:11:53 PM »
Geebus dude, are you that freakin stupid?

 ;cheers;

Until ya try it, not commenting would be best for ya
I also thought as you previously.

Its an awesome vape

Break broke it down to, "if you can have a lambo but only  have to drive it in traffic would you take it.." 

you would be shocked how comfortable the vape is
I am not worried about what another does with his purchase of a high powered vaporizer..
Yes stupid is holding more than 1 amp in the hand  :beer-toast:
so your right there with us  :thumbsup:

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2014, 08:51:29 PM »
It truly amazes me the stupidity level of some people.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2014, 09:00:08 PM »
Heres more perspective from a source who like myself was surprised at what .3ohm coil can do and feels like
Phil was adamant about the craziies doing 20 watts 30 watts omg 58 watts
Here he is vaping 58 watts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HwIswuFIJU#t

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2014, 09:25:55 PM »
Okay...I can stop at the 2:20 minutes mark.

Did you even HEAR what he said?

Get some brains kid....this is dangerous!

You could very easily POISON yourself, wake the *#?@ up man!

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2014, 09:40:50 PM »
:applaude:


Um your point?


Heres Craig vaping that bad arse powerblok @ 32 watts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-lRocPXrlo

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2014, 09:43:16 PM »
Okay...I can stop at the 2:20 minutes mark.

Did you even HEAR what he said?

Get some brains kid....this is dangerous!

You could very easily POISON yourself, wake the *#?@ up man!

Its very hard to poison yourself after 1 vape,  it lets you know your to tall with nic content,  1 vape guy!   not two, three, 4 or more..

Do you even vape?  holy schmokes

now single sub coil oh heck yeah those are dangerous as all get out..  They are hotter than the doorknob to hades..

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2014, 09:49:25 PM »
guys, i don't think either of you is going to convince the other one way or another.  I know it's a hot button topic but I've seen this discussion in many different places and there is no right or wrong when it comes to a forum thread.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2014, 10:03:10 PM »
 :thumbsdwn2: OKAY. Let's all behave now and stop.
Please ! It's time to stop the bickering and move on

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2014, 10:03:27 PM »
guys, i don't think either of you is going to convince the other one way or another.  I know it's a hot button topic but I've seen this discussion in many different places and there is no right or wrong when it comes to a forum thread.

Not arguing his points are valid until experienced. 

Looking at this electrically were in deep. 

Having RC experience, I have seen a cell go up and it's like lightning quick -- it will cut right thru most vaporizers out there even the metal tubes will melt and that is more a concern than being overnic'd.  I cannot vape anything over 6mg with just a 3.4 micro 28 gauge.  My normal cloud is what Phil produces in this video.  He built it right/wrong his coils were absolutely massively huge. .3 ohm quad with coils 1/16  or less and he would have clouded that whole studio..  He now knows how to build them that tiny and whoa huge difference in results of vapor.. 

If he watched the rest of the vid he would have some knowledge why Phil did this and why its important to educate instead of send hate mail its being done huge..

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2014, 10:19:23 PM »
:thumbsdwn2: OKAY. Let's all behave now and stop.
Please ! It's time to stop the bickering and move on

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2014, 10:19:20 AM »
I missed all of this????

hehehhehe

just to give my own take i guess.

i vape usually on a 0.2 ohm coil build either a single coil configuration or a quad coil configuration...
so thats like 80+ watts on a fully charged battery and around 68 something on a 3.7 charge...

not and thati i guess is the mose extreme set up thats probably here in the forums...

the only good side i can really see form this mod is consistency,compared to mech,aside oall the flashy fancy stuff.

i would just like to address some concerns i guess that ahs been raised,,,
I know most people here are well inclined on stuff,and i respect every one for that..

bit also not to limit anyone who wants to try it,,,

just make sure that your batteries can handle this job..
so no cheap batteries or no batteries running less than 30 amps..

temperature,,
on a single coil build given the right airhole,,its surprisingly cool..
really cool..
on dual coils and up,...
airhole is important..
if you have just one and the dual coil is on opposite sides,expect a warmer vape..

cloud wise,,,
it will just depend on how big of an airhole you have,,
just to put on perspective my quad coils are placed on one side and side by side with a 3mm airhole,...
lotsa clouds,good flavor th,not so warm vape,,
if a wanted to have a warmer vape,i just move the 2 coils on the other side,,,

again you have to know if your batteries cna handle the load,,

i still do prefer my my single coil build at 0.2 ohms..
not because of anything else aside for  the fact that my 0.2 ohm coil is amde uo of a 25awg wire and it takes la longer time before i need to rebuild again..
quad coils to last me like 2 weeks,because i maily use thinner wires,,,



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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2014, 11:38:51 AM »
I plan to try a 1/4 Ohm coil at some point, but I'm not going to power it that extremely.  I'm working on a mod that can do one 30 to 40 Watts.  Even so, I expect that will be pretty intense.  It's certainly possible to do an atomizer build that can handle high wattages nicely, but it's always me that's the limitation in how much power I can use, not the atomizer.  It's mainly because I vape a lot.  If I didn't vape as much, I could use more power regularly.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2014, 12:48:14 PM »
I plan to try a 1/4 Ohm coil at some point, but I'm not going to power it that extremely.  I'm working on a mod that can do one 30 to 40 Watts.  Even so, I expect that will be pretty intense.  It's certainly possible to do an atomizer build that can handle high wattages nicely, but it's always me that's the limitation in how much power I can use, not the atomizer.  It's mainly because I vape a lot.  If I didn't vape as much, I could use more power regularly.

i vape i guess as much too..and doing high power is ok..
nothing too intense,i

here are i think smallt hing you can remember..
on that 1/4 ohm you plan..

the thinner the wire the more chances of having a less life compared to a thicker wire,...

if you plan on doing thin wires anything above 36mm (note sure in awg)
might want start on dual coils..
not sure whta the scientific explanation is but my dual or quad coils will last longer compared to single coil of the same ohm measurement..

on single coil configs
the lower ohms the bigger airhole you need,,
for 2 things to get a huge cloud and to also minimize heat..

example on a 0.2 ohm single coil..
warmer if the airhole is 1mm
3mm will give you a cooler vape..pretty similar to a 1.3ohm coil @ 5v
but of ofcurse a more loose drag...

airholes are everything on high wattage builds..
thickness of wires will also dictate the life of the coils too.



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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PM »
I'm doing two .5 (ish) Ohm coils with 24 gauge (.5mm) wire in an iGo-W.  I actually did the atomizer build already, but I still need a mod to power it, working on that one. It's actually closer to .2 Ohms than 1/4 Ohm, but close enough to call it 1/4 Ohm.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2014, 05:50:06 PM »
I've been using rebuildablies for a while now and I'm resisting the temptation to go mega low ohms. I usually use a 1.2-1.5 ohm setup and have done for over a year.
My worry is that I would just get used to the lower ohms and just continue to try even lower.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2014, 06:03:02 PM »
I've been using rebuildablies for a while now and I'm resisting the temptation to go mega low ohms. I usually use a 1.2-1.5 ohm setup and have done for over a year.
My worry is that I would just get used to the lower ohms and just continue to try even lower.

This is one of the reasons I've stayed away from rebuildables.  I might like it too much and then go nuts building lower and lower res coils.  Also...isn't the juice consumption way higher with rebuildables?  If I don't know what I'm missing then I won't miss it. lol

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2014, 06:18:44 PM »
This is one of the reasons I've stayed away from rebuildables.  I might like it too much and then go nuts building lower and lower res coils.  Also...isn't the juice consumption way higher with rebuildables?  If I don't know what I'm missing then I won't miss it. lol

Lol, and yes, they do consume more juice.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2014, 08:04:55 PM »
Oh yeah, when you get into the higher power levels, you can blow through juice like crazy, but you're making a lot more vapor.  You ~can~ go over what your body can handle in terms of exposure to vapors, at least I can.  If I use too much power for too long it can irritate my throat and lungs.  When that happens I have to turn down the power for a while.  But I sure love the vape I get at those higher power levels, very satisfying.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2014, 09:17:47 AM »
I've been using rebuildablies for a while now and I'm resisting the temptation to go mega low ohms. I usually use a 1.2-1.5 ohm setup and have done for over a year.
My worry is that I would just get used to the lower ohms and just continue to try even lower.

this is true..

when I started doing rebuildables,i started going 1 ohm then lower and lower...
until i get to i point that i can relatively make a 0.2 ohm coil with eyes closed(insert devil laugh here)

i guess coil building also becomes an art in some ways now,started with single coils @0.2 ohms,then dual coils,quad coils..
(thou i wnat to try those 9 coil things soon)


as far as blowing thru juice thats true,...now i diy my juices and yes i still occasionally buy premade juices but those are the cheap ones 30ml for $2,

i guess after getting my preffered set up, a single coil ,0.2 ohm,40mm wire,cotton wicks, 3mm airhole
this build relatively cool,
the only benefit i guess is i can take a short drag much like smoking and still get huge clouds,
if i wanted to make a warmer vape,i need to redo my coil and make a dual coil or something...

but i guess what i am trying to say,even if you wanted to go lower there will always be a stopping point,probably,thou ive seen people do 0.1x something (i am scared at that point...
not pushing that envelope of extreme set ups here,
but try it,for science (insert devilish laugh here)

you guys know more abour safty on batts well more than i do,amp limits and stuff like that...
so i bet you'll just do fine,,,

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2014, 05:09:39 PM »
There's a point of diminishing returns where you're wasting more power than you're using.  You're actually at the tipping point already with .2 Ohms.  Losses are probably tolerable, but still but they're getting up there.  As you go lower in resistance, you can end up with big losses in run time without much difference in atomizer performance.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2014, 05:23:48 PM »
There's a point of diminishing returns where you're wasting more power than you're using.  You're actually at the tipping point already with .2 Ohms.  Losses are probably tolerable, but still but they're getting up there.  As you go lower in resistance, you can end up with big losses in run time without much difference in atomizer performance.

can you i guess explain more?
(student with ala puss in boots eyes)

i know at this point that even thou i have a 0.2ohm coil..
there is wasted power form batteries to the atty due to voltage drop in the mod itself,atty and stuff..

on runtimes..
i can get a good full 14hours on a 18650 1600mah efest..


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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2014, 09:50:59 PM »
can you i guess explain more?
(student with ala puss in boots eyes)

i know at this point that even thou i have a 0.2ohm coil..
there is wasted power form batteries to the atty due to voltage drop in the mod itself,atty and stuff..

on runtimes..
i can get a good full 14hours on a 18650 1600mah efest..

Thats a freak battery there is no way you should get that much run time drawing 22amps@4.2v  then 18 amps @3.6v


If you were vaping @1c  1.6amps of the battery then yes that is possible but your @about 13c while its short bursts it still pulls down the mah exponentially.

Heres the math
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What if you don’t have a constant load? The obvious thing to do is the thing to do. Figure out an average power drawn. Consider a repetitive cycle where each cycle is 1 hour. It consists of 20 amps for 1 second followed by 0.1 amps for the rest of the hour. The average current would be calculated as follows.

20*1/3600 + 0.1(3599)/3600 = 0.1044 amps average current.

(3600 is the number of seconds in an hour).
In other words, figure out how many amps is drawn on average and use steps 1 and 2. Step 3 is very difficult to predict in the case where you have small periods of high current. The news is good, a steady draw of 1C will lower the capacity much more than short 1C pulses followed by a rest period. So if the average current drawn is about a 20 hour rate, then you will get closer to the capacity predicted by a 20 hour rate, even though you are drawing it in high current pulses. Actual test data is hard to come by without doing the test yourself.

Wow  freaked_out:

Actual and empirical data do not mesh always but efest have been tested and have a much higher IR than expected and that hurts your run time as well..

You do not chain vape I guess.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2014, 10:15:39 AM »
Thats a freak battery there is no way you should get that much run time drawing 22amps@4.2v  then 18 amps @3.6v


If you were vaping @1c  1.6amps of the battery then yes that is possible but your @about 13c while its short bursts it still pulls down the mah exponentially.

Heres the math
Wow  freaked_out:

Actual and empirical data do not mesh always but efest have been tested and have a much higher IR than expected and that hurts your run time as well..

You do not chain vape I guess.

not really a freak battery but the battery i am using has a 30 amp limit (20c)
http://www.efestpower.com/Product/3798601810.html
not sure the exact math :(
but made the calculation thru ohms law online :)
http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/

on a 0.2 resistance coil,it draws 21 amps and 88.2watts of power..on a full charge...

yup emperical and actual does not always match...true on almost everything...


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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2014, 01:36:40 PM »
can you i guess explain more?

All of the components of the mod that make up the circuit introduce some resistance so there's going to be resistance in the circuit besides the atomizer coil.  A decent rig would introduce no more than an additional 50 mOhms, but it could be as high as 100 mOhms. 

To use a worst case example, with a .2 Ohm atomizer the battery is going to to see .3 Ohms.  That would be .2 Ohms for the atomizer plus the resistance introduced by the rest of the circuit.  With a nominal battery voltage of 3.7V, that would be a current flow of 12 Amps.  Using power equal to current squared times resistance, the atomizer consumes 30 Watts and the rest of the circuit consumes 15 Watts.

For a .1 Ohm atomizer, there's a total resistance seen by the battery of .2 Ohms and a current flow of 18 Amps.  In that case, the atomizer consumes 34 Watts and the rest of the circuit also consumes 34 Watts. 

Comparing the two, the atomizer is consuming only 10% more power at the cost of 50% more power consumption for the battery.  So, you'll get a big reduction in run time with only a marginal increase in atomizer output.  In reality, a quality mod might introduce even less than 50 mOhms, but at best it's still worthy of consideration.  A worst case exaggerates the situation to clearly demonstrate the idea.

To find run time in terms of hit count, you can just divide capacity by load and then divide again by hit length.  For example, a 1600 mAh battery has 1.6 Amp-hours which is the same as 5760 Amp-seconds.  With a draw of say 16 Amps, you would get 360 seconds of run time.  For a hit length of 3 seconds, that would be 120 hits.  So, if you take say 20 hits in an hour, that would be 6 hours.  If you take 60 hits in an hour, that would be two hours.

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2014, 01:58:39 PM »
All of the components of the mod that make up the circuit introduce some resistance so there's going to be resistance in the circuit besides the atomizer coil.  A decent rig would introduce no more than an additional 50 mOhms, but it could be as high as 100 mOhms. 

To use a worst case example, with a .2 Ohm atomizer the battery is going to to see .3 Ohms.  That would be .2 Ohms for the atomizer plus the resistance introduced by the rest of the circuit.  With a nominal battery voltage of 3.7V, that would be a current flow of 12 Amps.  Using power equal to current squared times resistance, the atomizer consumes 30 Watts and the rest of the circuit consumes 15 Watts.

For a .1 Ohm atomizer, there's a total resistance seen by the battery of .2 Ohms and a current flow of 18 Amps.  In that case, the atomizer consumes 34 Watts and the rest of the circuit also consumes 34 Watts. 

Comparing the two, the atomizer is consuming only 10% more power at the cost of 50% more power consumption for the battery.  So, you'll get a big reduction in run time with only a marginal increase in atomizer output.  In reality, a quality mod might introduce even less than 50 mOhms, but at best it's still worthy of consideration.  A worst case exaggerates the situation to clearly demonstrate the idea.

To find run time in terms of hit count, you can just divide capacity by load and then divide again by hit length.  For example, a 1600 mAh battery has 1.6 Amp-hours which is the same as 5760 Amp-seconds.  With a draw of say 16 Amps, you would get 360 seconds of run time.  For a hit length of 3 seconds, that would be 120 hits.  So, if you take say 20 hits in an hour, that would be 6 hours.  If you take 60 hits in an hour, that would be two hours.


thanks for the explanation i originally knew thisbut did not know it would be that huge of a discrepancy...
for those reading,

i think the closest word to see this or put into analogy is voltage drop hehhehehehhe
i maybe wrong thou...

will a regulated mod overcome this thou?

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Re: Grand Innonvations nokia mod 80-100watts
« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2014, 02:18:57 PM »
No, you never get something for nothing with electricity.  A regulated mod compensates for losses so you get a consistent output, but the losses are there too.  In fact, they're typcially greater since wires, circuit boards, and components have a lot more resistance than the hardware that makes up the circuit in a mech mod.

Oh, BTW, you're right, power loss is expressed by voltage loss, voltage squared over resistance.



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