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Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« on: July 09, 2012, 06:30:37 PM »
This mod has a AtMega328p micro-controller with a Nokia cell phone display. It is powered by a 20C Lithium-Polymer battery. The boost circuit is the good ole PTN04050C.

Voltage Range: 3.78v to 6.38v

PARTS:
ATMega328p AVR
Nokia 5110 Graphic Display
PTN04050C
20C lithium polymer 3.7 battery
1 amp USB Charger
100 Amp Sensor
Parallel 5.1A PTC resetable fuses
5A On/Off Slide Switch
18 gauge wiring
Aluminum Enclosure (size of a pack of cigs)

Maximum Results so far:
25.44 Watts
4.67 Amps
UPdate: exceeded 30 Watts

The PTN04050C is spec'd at 12 Watts, 2.4 Amps yet I was able to achieve the above results.
This mod is far superior to the DNA mod.



Code changed for FONT to Black on White


« Last Edit: October 27, 2013, 05:21:56 PM by Breaktru »

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2012, 08:09:32 PM »
Oh my, what have we here...
Is that correct... 22.78 watts...  3.38 amps   ;hubba;

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 09:25:26 PM »
That 20C cell has really low DCR which makes it possible to milk everything you can out of the coverter.  I guess the advertised maximum output is not based on a switch current limit programmed into the controller so that's good.  I didn't know that.  I thought switch current was limited to 2A for that module.
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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2012, 09:29:28 PM »
That 20C cell has really low DCR which makes it possible to milk everything you can out of the coverter.  I guess the advertised maximum output is not based on a switch current limit programmed into the controller so that's good.  I didn't know that.  I thought switch current was limited to 2A for that module.

I was very surprised to see more than 2.4 amps. I don't expect vaping at those limits  :o

I was using paralleled 20C's with the DNA and couldn't even get 12 watts

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2012, 09:30:25 PM »
I probably never use all the power I have, but better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Looks like things are getting smaller.  Like I said, you get better at making things smaller the more you do it.  Good job on that.

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 09:27:51 AM »
I probably never use all the power I have, but better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Nice to know that you have a power house of a mod that can handle anything.
I read about your 40 - 50 watt boost Craig. Woweeeee  ;hubba;
and 22.78 watts is nothing to sneeze at breaktru  :thumbsup:

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2012, 10:00:12 PM »
WOW D!

You have been busy, huh?

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2012, 02:48:02 AM »
looking good  as allways m8  :rockin smiley:

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2012, 08:59:17 AM »
That enclosure looks real cool  :rockin smiley:
It looks like it's filled to the max with parts and wiring  :yes"
Nice going Dave. Thanks for sharing

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2012, 07:01:45 PM »

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2012, 04:40:40 AM »
Smashing !!!!
I want one  :rockin smiley:

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012, 06:01:19 PM »
I simply LUV the finished product. Woweeeeeeeee
Between you and Mr. Craig.... I'm flabbergasted

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2012, 06:24:47 PM »
Thanks Pantera,
Mr. Craig is the Master. I'm just a tinkerer.
He builds from scratch. Pure Genius.

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2012, 08:37:17 PM »
The Cat's Meow  :rockin smiley:
Amazing Style and Performance

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2012, 05:59:31 PM »
Simply beautiful. Well done as usual breaktru  :thumbsup:
Can I make phone calls too  :laughing:

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2012, 03:57:16 PM »
where did you guys get the casing and the MCU circuit? :D

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2012, 05:01:15 PM »
Just a note:

Don't expect to vape at over 22 watts.
I stopped testing at 22.78 watts and 3.38A. I'm sure I can push it further with a lower ohm load. But.. why?

Remember, every connection and contact is a source of resistance. Switches have resistance so use higher rated ones of GOOD QUALITY. Cheap thin battery contacts are also a resistant point. 10 for $2 won't get you a quality part.

I used short 18 gauge wire on all heavy current paths and a good quality 20C rated battery. Remember, current is higher on the battery end than the output of the boost circuit so the battery has to be capable.

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2012, 03:39:35 AM »
True, true...
I'm in argue with one "funny" vaper, bought VMax.
It was "amazing peace of art" because doesn't have current limit and can handle over 2.5A!
So for him this is one and only mod with which he can vape favorite dual coil cart....on 24W ???
Tried to explain that this is a stupid, why he wants to make a "light bulb" for his mizer but.... opinion was neglected like uneducated silly words of crazy moder :)

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2012, 03:42:15 AM »
This is a good source to handle you dual coils


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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2012, 10:14:29 AM »

Don't expect to vape at over 22 watts.


Dang, I was dreaming of hot vaping at those wattages...    :laughing2:
Good work dude, well done
Actually I wanted to vape at Craig's 40W +

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2012, 11:05:09 AM »
I'm amazed at how many asked (on several forums) how they can get these high results on their PTN04050c.
You can't vape at those levels so don't even think about it. Be happy with 12w max.

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2012, 12:02:13 PM »
I'm amazed at how many asked (on several forums) how they can get these high results on their PTN04050c.
You can't vape at those levels so don't even think about it. Be happy with 12w max.

Lot of people inta dry hits?

Dave, BTW looks cool.

fsors ;cheers;

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2012, 09:56:21 PM »
You can't vape at those levels so don't even think about it. Be happy with 12w max.

Sure you can;


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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2012, 09:04:26 AM »
Sure you can;

I stand corrected.
but I thought the Maximum wattage on The Darwin was 12.7 Watts ?

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2012, 02:23:31 PM »
Yes the Darwin is limited to 12.7W, but I'm not using a Darwin.  To be honest, I probably would not use a double barrel cartomizer like that regularly.  I did it more just to see.  I figured it would produce double the vapor without the added heat of a dual coil cartomizer.  It does.  Though, one single coil cartomizer is pretty much sufficient for me.

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2012, 02:53:22 PM »
So what was that monster ???
Darwin box&display with Craig peace of art inside ?

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2012, 03:45:30 PM »
Boy am I a dummy, I didn't realize that the video was YOU using your PowerBlok. Thought it was someone using a Darwin..  :facepalm:

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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2012, 05:53:29 PM »
Yep, that was me.  I'm not so anonymous anymore :)

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2012, 07:02:01 PM »
So what was that monster ???
Darwin box&display with Craig peace of art inside ?

Check out Craig's "It's Alive" topic: HERE

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2012, 12:22:48 PM »
Sorry for this noob question. How do you program a chip? And how do you wire that nokia lcd? Can i use it on my okr-t chip? And bout my question in VF where did you get those oLED display man?

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2012, 01:12:03 PM »
Sorry for this noob question. How do you program a chip? And how do you wire that nokia lcd? Can i use it on my okr-t chip? And bout my question in VF where did you get those oLED display man?

My micro controller was programmed with Arduino which is a C language compiler
There are several sites for tutorials on the Nokia... I found it by Googling it.
You can use any DC converter. Here is the OKR-T/6: http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,575.0.html
oLED can be found at Adafruit

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2012, 02:11:02 PM »
Thanks for the quick response man! I guess i have to figure out how this micro controller works myself. Or you can lend me some knowledge of yours? :)

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2012, 05:07:36 PM »
Thanks for the quick response man! I guess i have to figure out how this micro controller works myself. Or you can lend me some knowledge of yours? :)

I posted this over at Vapers Forum for you...........

Quote from: breaktru;970362
Being a green-horn to micro controllers, I did a lot of research and put in a lot of hours reading, tweaking code and parts values, filtering noise, yada, yada, yada... to get to what you see here. Maybe if I was a pro it would have been a snap.

So with that said... I hope you understand why I shouldn't just hand you my programming code, a detailed wiring schematic and where to buy each part.
Sorry dude

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2012, 03:15:42 PM »
It's still a lot of work even when it's something routine.  There's always an amount of testing and tweaking that results in design changes.  Just finding and selecting the best parts requires a good amount of effort.  It's not like anyone can just whip out a design and produce a finished product on the first go.  Making stuff like this is a lot of work no matter the level of expertise.

There are a lot of resources freely available on the internet.  There's tons of books available as well.  If someone wants to learn, the information is there.  Better to design something yourself anyway.  If you copy a design and don't understand how it works, you'll never be able to troubleshoot it.

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2012, 06:18:22 PM »
I do understand breaktru and craig. I look up on you both for Iam a fan of your works. Its not my intension to copy your works but to make one with my own designs. I'm just new to this micro controllers. I've been working on some modules for quite sometime now but not like this one. Maybe a little something to start with my research about this will be very much appreciated. Thank you guys!

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2012, 02:52:30 PM »
First you have to decide on the controller platform.  There's tons of them out there. Arduino is popular, but it has its disadvantages.  I use the Microchip PICs myself, but the Atmel AVRs are also popular. 

The main thing I don't like about Arduino is it has a lot of overhead since it carries a bootloader and USB interface on-chip within every operating program.  Though, there's a reason for it.  Carrying that stuff on-chip simplifies the user interface making things more generic while flattening the learning curve.  If you're willing to take on the steeper learning curve of a non-Arduino system, you have the benefit of a smaller, more compact platform.  That's entirely up to you.

Any platform you choose will have a unique set of development tools.  Basically, that consists of the IDE software (integrated development environment) and the programmer/debugger that allows you to connect to the chip to program it.  You need to evaluate those differences.  Again, the Arduino tools are oriented to simplicity, low expense (as in gratis), and a flatter learning curve.  Though it's not a big outlay for AVR or PIC either.  The software is free and the programmer/debuggers are about $50.

Another consideration is programming language.  I'm big on ASM (assembly) and that is native to the Microchip MPLab or AVR Studio IDEs.  The C complier is an add-on module.  Arduino only accommodates the C programming language as far as I'm aware.  If you want to use ASM, then a PIC or AVR may be a better choice.  I like ASM better because it's right at the machine level.  Programming in C is much more consice and less tedious, but you rely on the compiler to generate your machine code.  You can produce faster, more efficient machine code using ASM.
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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2012, 09:06:16 PM »
I see. I've been reading about this PIC microchip and still understanding more before working on it. So ASM is more compatible to it if i may say? Also i would like to ask, What are the tools i need when programming the micro controllers? I really appreciate it craig! Grab a beer here man!  :laughing2: :)

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« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2012, 01:58:46 PM »
The C programming language is industry standard because it's highly modular.  That makes it easy for people to work on projects at the group level and "plug-in" precompiled modules or libraries.  Assembly's big advantage is that you can write tight efficient code since you're working at the machine level.

For a hobbyist, programming language not going to matter much, except with C, you can get canned drivers for things like LCDs and other components.  Though, it can sometimes be a battle to get them working with your particular hardware.  With ASM, you have to write drivers yourself, which is usually not a big deal.  Though, writing a graphic display driver in ASM is quite a chore.  My advice would be to try both and see what you prefer.  I like assembly, but there's nothing wrong with coding in C either.

Arduino is a bit unique in that it carries most of the tools you need in software.  All you need for that is a USB cable and the Arduino IDE.  However, if you want to install the Arduino bootloader on a blank chip, then you need the programmer/debugger for that particular chip.  Arduino is more a software platform than a hardware platform.  There are several makes and models of micro-controller that can work with Arduino.  Once the bootloader is installed into a micro-controller, it can be programmed as many times as required simply by plugging in a USB cable.

Then there are the rest.  Any controller you use will require a make specific programmer/debugger to program the chip.  You simply plug the programmer/debugger into your computer via USB then connect the the programmer/debugger to the chip via a connector on your project's PCB.  You can also do that with a project on a breadboard.  The common PCB interfaces are JTAG and ICSP.  I use a simple pin header on the PCB or breadboard myself, but you can use pretty much any connector you like.

Every platform requires an IDE.  This is the software package that allows you to write your code, debug it, compile it into machine code, then drive the programmer/debugger so you can program your chip.  The IDE is unique to each maker, but there are generic open source tools you can use to cobble your own IDE together for several micro-controller makes.  My recommendation is to just use the manufacturer's IDE.  The more popular ones are free.

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2012, 04:33:34 PM »
Thanks for the info craig, its exactly what i need to start. Still want to know some more about the programming stuff. In breaktru's mod he uses an atmega328p and program it using C language. How about your powerblock what did you use for it? I'm planning to build a mod using dna12 just like your powerblock. Would this chip like breaktru is using would be compatible with the dna?
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« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2012, 03:55:56 AM »
I'm using a PIC24F with a PICkit2 programmer/debugger.  That one is being phased out though.  I'm using an older chip that is supported by the older programmer/debugger.  New designs should be using the PICkit3.

Pretty sure Dave is using Arduino, but he should be able to tell you more specifically.

I've seen some home-grown mods that use AVR MCUs and even a TI MCU.

As far as the DNA, I now little about it so Dave would have to clue you in on that one.

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« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2012, 06:21:20 AM »
@craig Thanks so much fo all the info man!

@breaktru if i were to build a mod with a DNa just like yours what micro controller to use would you recommend that is easy to work on? What  is the right value of the pot to use on the dna? Thanks in advance!
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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2012, 07:53:07 AM »
@craig Thanks so much fo all the info man!

@breaktru if i were to build a mod with a DNa just like yours what micro controller to use would you recommend that is easy to work on? What  is the right value of the pot to use on the dna? Thanks in advance!
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Any MCU can be used with any DC Converter. Having only used the Arduino, I can't say which is easiest or best. I found a lot of information by Googling that lead me to use an Arduino.
The datasheet for their DNA can be found here --> Diagram and values are given. See: DATASHEET
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« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2012, 11:07:49 AM »
I found that arduino is much easier to work with. I've been reading about it http://www.ladyada.net/learn/arduino/ . I guess once i get the materials needed i will ask a lot of questions especially in programming/debugging. I hope it will not be too much for you. :)
Im going to order this hope its the right one http://www.adafruit.com/products/123

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2012, 05:50:04 PM »
I'm tempted to go thru my pile of old cell phones and rip the displays out for a mod  :laughing:
Dam that looks good breaktru  :thumbsup:

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2012, 02:40:58 PM »
I would love to have a mod with a display that shows everything on one display

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2012, 07:25:09 PM »
For sure, with how inexpenive small displays are, there's no reason not to.  However, it does force you into a box mod style to accomodate the display.  To fit that much information into a display that fits in a tube would require very small font.   It seems to me that vapers tend to be older folks that don't have the greatest eyesight (myself included).

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2012, 03:49:48 PM »
Hi everyone, new guy looking to get into modding and been reading everything I can. After seeing some of the mods using Li-Po instead of Li-Ion I'm absolutely fascinated with that option. Is there any reason this cell couldn't be utilized?:

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18594__Turnigy_5800mAh_1S_25C_Lipoly_Single_Cell_.html

Thanks for the site Breaktru, it's been a huge pool of information along with all the stuff I've seen from you and Mamu on other forums

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2012, 04:13:37 PM »
You can use that cell if you like.  Though, at one point I thought that having huge run time would be a big advantage.  However, I've found it's not worth the cost in size and I've gone the other way now.  My latest one will have 1400mAh.  The thing is, if you use a flat cell, you're pretty much forced into a passthru system of charging.  I found it's really not a big deal to "plug-in" which sort of negates the need for big run time.

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Re: Boost MCU Nokia Mod
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2012, 04:20:38 PM »
Hi everyone, new guy looking to get into modding and been reading everything I can. After seeing some of the mods using Li-Po instead of Li-Ion I'm absolutely fascinated with that option. Is there any reason this cell couldn't be utilized?:

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18594__Turnigy_5800mAh_1S_25C_Lipoly_Single_Cell_.html

Thanks for the site Breaktru, it's been a huge pool of information along with all the stuff I've seen from you and Mamu on other forums

Hey Copper welcome to the forum. There is some first time modders here that have posted some beautifully done mods. Very talented bunch. Not to mention some of the pros who made some fantastic stuff.

Yes that battery will do if you can house into a case. It's extremely long and a bit wide. I have the same only in 1000mah which is much smaller physically.

We would love to see your mods when you complete them. Every self made mod is a winner, even if you don't thinks so. Making something yourself is big achievement and something you should be proud of.

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