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Title: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on September 19, 2010, 04:38:01 PM
DIY eJuice Mixing
The combinations of “Do It Yourself” eliquid mixing is virtually endless.
I suggest that you start out mixing your recipes in small amounts to prevent waste.
I recommend using between 10% to 20% flavoring.  Some flavors are much stronger
than others, and should be adjusted accordingly. After tweaking the flavor percentages, you will find what tastes good to you.

To make a 1ml to sample, follow these steps:

Using a syringe or 1ml pipette, measure 0.8ml of PG or VG.  Transfer it into an empty small bottle.
The flavoring is next. Measure 0.2ml of a single flavor that you wish to test.
This sample is now 80% PG or VG, and 20% flavoring.  Cap the bottle, and shake for about 12 seconds.
You are now ready to test your sample flavor with NO nicotine.

If you find that the flavor is too strong or too weak, you will want to adjust your mixture by
adding 1 drop at a time of flavoring (if the flavor is too weak), or PG/VG if the flavoring is too strong.
Document your recipe once you feel like you have a good idea of the ratio that you want to use.
Once you feel like you have a good recipe, you are ready to measure larger amounts of liquids and use larger bottles.
I highly recommend when mixing larger batches of liquids to use my e-liquid calculator.
“eJuice Me Up” Calculator: http://ejuice.breaktru.com
Mixing multiple flavors is more of a challenge, depending on which flavors are more powerful and the desired flavor
that you wish to achieve.  I always start out with my mixed flavorings using equal parts of each flavor.

Practice makes perfect!  Work in small amounts when testing new recipes.

You may want to familiarize yourself with the settings before you begin, so look at the "How To" page
at: http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,205.0.html (http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,205.0.html)
Another bit of a great creation was submitted be "Epsilson" over at ECF.
See: http://ejuice.breaktru.com/ejmutut.pdf (http://ejuice.breaktru.com/ejmutut.pdf)



Hey Dave of Breaktru, What do I need to get started?

You will need some measuring supplies.
Either/or Dropper, Small Graduated Cylinder, small graduated measuring cup, pipette, syringes.
A bottle of PG, VG, unflavored Nicotine and an assortment of flavoring.
Measuring Supplies: OneStopDIY Shop
UnFlavored Nic: FreedomSmokesUSA.com The higher the Nic Strength the longer it will last after cutting it to your desired Nic level.
Flavors: FlavourArt, Lorann's, Capella, Perfumer's Apprentice (TPA) to name a few.
Maybe some sweetener (ethyl maltol / Cotton Candy) and maybe a little PGA like EverClear 190% (Pure grain Alcohol)
And of course small bottles to put it in.

Mix small batches at first so not to waste any and for tweaking the results.



Note:
Unflavored eLiquied (Nic) in a strength of your choice. 36mg, 48mg... etc. I use 100mg and cut it down to 18mg in my recipes. What base do you want it in? PG/VG ratio. Like 100%PG or VG or 50/50(PG/VG) etc....

You will need a dilution base. That means a bottle of PG and a bottle of VG.

For measuring I prefer using a 3ml syringe with an 14 gauge blunt needle tip. The lower the gauge # tip the better for thick VG liquids.
Syringes are the most accurate for measuring. The dropper method is highly unreliable due to the different size droplets for different liquids and different type droppers. A graduated cylinder is also good but IMHO when using thick liquids some of the liquid remains inside the cylinder after pouring it out.

In my opinion, FlavourArt flavoring is best. The flavors are closest to the represented flavor name with no noticeable chemical after taste.
You should note that most flavoring is 100% PG based. So when using my calculator, the flavor PG is accounted for in the final recipe result and deducts PG from the amount of PG that needs to be added.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: tommygun on October 16, 2010, 04:10:01 PM
Works well using small quantities. Once I adjusted the recipe percentage, I saved it and made notes.
Your new version calculator has been great. Glad you added the extra features in the latest version.
Keep me posted with your added features in future versions.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: jeandbean on October 18, 2010, 07:53:15 AM
I find using a graduated cylinder better for measuring pure VG as a pipette is not the best because of the thick consistency of the VG. Because of that, it's hard to get accurate measurements with the pipette. It's great though for PG.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: cccsteel on October 25, 2010, 07:07:25 PM
Once I get my combination correct with small mix, I made large batches for friends and family. Your calculator has helped greatly. Also tried some of your included recipes. A couple of them I tweaked to my liking. Thanks. I checked out your on site recipe page. Good idea, I'll send you a recipe to add to your lot.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: jomurp on October 29, 2010, 12:30:15 PM
After making a strong flavored eJuice, I let it steep for about a week. I take off the bottle lid and leave it exposed to air. Certain flavors need a little less and some a little more
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: jgherb on March 13, 2011, 09:15:08 AM
I think that this thread is a best suggestion for beginner of Ejuice Mixing, you are so kind guy! :)
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Poppy26 on March 30, 2011, 04:44:26 PM
Breaktru, your software has encouraged me to get into the DIY recipe mixing. I will definitely be saving a bundle on eJuice. I read your post on needed supplies and can't wait for delivery.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: vaperkarma on April 25, 2011, 07:07:13 PM
With the money I am saving by DIY mixing, I'm saving up for a Darwin
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: vapemistress on April 29, 2011, 05:50:15 PM
After I make a recipe, I shake vigorously for several minutes. And in between use I also shake.
This is how I shake my mixes:


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Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: jgherb on June 02, 2011, 09:24:24 PM
Thanks for your kind information and share with us :)
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on July 06, 2011, 05:47:33 PM
This is from a post that I made over at ECF:

It took me a long time to find a good recipe. I've tried so many nasty ones that I almost gave up. Right now I have several good ones that weened me off of pre-mixed juices.
The juice is dead, long live the DIY juice.
Don't give up, keep on trying until you find your perfect mix.

I have several brands of concentrate flavoring and find that I like the FlavourArt the best. Mind you, this is MY favorite, to each his own.



I found that the success of a good ejuice is NOT to try to copy/recreate a vendors pre-mix ejuice but to come up with your own or a recommended recipe.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Pantera on September 20, 2011, 09:57:55 AM
This is from a post that I made over at ECF:

It took me a long time to find a good recipe. I've tried so many nasty ones that I almost gave up. Right now I have several good ones that weened me off of pre-mixed juices.
The juice is dead, long live the DIY juice.
Don't give up, keep on trying until you find your perfect mix.

I have several brands of concentrate flavoring and find that I like the FlavourArt the best. Mind you, this is MY favorite, to each his own.



I found that the success of a good ejuice is NOT to try to copy/recreate a vendors pre-mix ejuice but to come up with your own or a recommended recipe.

Very good advise!
As my flavoring stock dwindles, I have been reordering flavors w/ FA
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: blueeyes on September 28, 2011, 11:41:41 AM
I've switched from Lorann's a while ago to Flavourart and like the flavoring better. Although I have some Capella's that are pretty good.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: rrtwister on December 25, 2011, 04:39:04 PM
I've been buying my Flavourart from ecigexpress.com
I think it is more natural flavoring w/ no chemical after taste like some I have tried.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: VaporStationtx on February 20, 2012, 09:31:30 PM
I love the calculator.....great work.....I like that the recipes are there too, very cool!!!
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Phoenixlee on March 13, 2012, 01:16:27 AM
Thanks for that, it's much appreciated?
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing using calculator
Post by: almur on July 28, 2012, 08:57:22 AM
if i use an 85% vg/15% de-ionised water base-how do i calculate how much 100% pg nicotine e-juice do i add to make 50 ml using the ejuicemeup calculator?
i use 54 mg strength nicotine, i want to reduce it to 24 mg-using my above-named base. So why does the calculator keep asking me to add more
pg?
 :)almur
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on July 28, 2012, 10:03:48 AM
if i use an 85% vg/15% de-ionised water base-how do i calculate how much 100% pg nicotine e-juice do i add to make 50 ml using the ejuicemeup calculator?
i use 54 mg strength nicotine, i want to reduce it to 24 mg-using my above-named base. So why does the calculator keep asking me to add more
pg?
 :)almur

It is impossible to turn 100% PG Nic into 85% VG, with 54ml to 24ml.
If you were using 100% VG Nic, yes it would be easy.
Also if you were using 100mg, 50/50 and breaking it down to 24ml, there would be more room for the conversion but not quite 85% VG if using PG flavoring.
Most flavoring is PG base so adding flavoring adds PG to the final ratio. Unless you use a VG base flavoring or Zero PG/VG flavoring.

Note:
For the Recipe results of the PG/VG ratio: 85% represents VG. Substitute the 15% PG with your De-ionized water.

If you always mix at 85% VG, then buy 100% VG nic rather than 100% PG.
Title: Re: base liquid (85% vg/15% de-ionised water-NO NICOTINE
Post by: almur on July 28, 2012, 03:42:33 PM
Hi, again
I don't think I made myself clear last time-so I'll try again.
I have my base liquid, which I made from 85% vg and 15% de-ionised water.
I've got pg nicotine e-juice-at 54 mg strength, and I want to reduce this to 24 mg-using the above base, and end up with 50 ml.

thanks
almur
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on July 28, 2012, 04:39:44 PM
Hi, again
I don't think I made myself clear last time-so I'll try again.
I have my base liquid, which I made from 85% vg and 15% de-ionised water.
I've got pg nicotine e-juice-at 54 mg strength, and I want to reduce this to 24 mg-using the above base, and end up with 50 ml.

thanks
almur

So..... you want to turn your 54mg Nic to 24mg with the base you made to make 50ml...
You would add 22.22ml of NIC and 27.78 of your base to make 50ml at 24mg strength.

Either of the two attached methods will work. The Nic Mix (2nd one shown) takes some fiddling with numbers to arrive at the desired value.
Disregard that the 27.78ml says PG and use your 85/15 base mix.

Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: almur on July 31, 2012, 03:07:42 PM
Hi, again
sorry I didn't say thanks for your reply to mixing mix-up-
good site-but not too many up to date post-ins.
almur
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: perlionsmitnick on October 18, 2012, 12:25:20 PM
My tip for mixing is to use a Pyrex beaker and microwave the final mix until just before boiling.  This will lessen the viscosity and allow the flavors to meld together. USE EXTREME CAUTION WHEN REMOVING FROM MICROWAVE.  Heated  glycerin would burn you like hot oil.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: FluGlone on October 29, 2012, 09:31:23 AM
Hi, again
sorry I didn't say thanks for your reply to mixing mix-up-
good site-but not too many up to date post-ins.
almur

I find this forum very informative. It's up to us members to keep it going.
Looking at the statistics on the main page shows many Guests Trolling about. They need to log on and post.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on November 11, 2012, 01:12:03 PM
Some first time DIY'ers are confused with measuring with a syringe. They do not understand how to interpret the markings on a syringe compared to the required result of the calculator.
The first photo shows a 3ml syringe which has markings of 0.1 ml for each line. The second shows a 5ml syringe with markings of 0.2 ml for each line.
I pointed out where 2.2 ml would be for each syringe. If the calculator shows a result of say 2.21, drop the One Hundredth, It's so tiny that it is insignificant. You may round the hundredth number if you like to 2.2. If it were 2.28, round it to 2.3 ml.

(http://breaktru.com/ejuice/images/3ml_syringe.jpg)(http://breaktru.com/ejuice/images/5ml_syringe.jpg)
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: dchillis on March 17, 2013, 12:10:06 AM
What does adding distilled water to your mix do? Example: If I want to thin out VG with water what will this do to the overall taste or makeup of the VG and the batch as a whole? My point is to end up with a higher VG with out it being so thick and hard to work with. thanks Dan
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on March 17, 2013, 08:56:06 AM
What does adding distilled water to your mix do? Example: If I want to thin out VG with water what will this do to the overall taste or makeup of the VG and the batch as a whole? My point is to end up with a higher VG with out it being so thick and hard to work with. thanks Dan

I personally have never used water to thin my VG.
If VG is hard to work with because it is thick, you may want to consider a larger needle for your syringe like 14ga or try warming it before mixing it. If you are thinning it use distilled water and start at 5%. Work up if needed. Add the water to the VG and not the mix. Some use PGA instead of water (ex: everclear). PGA has a noticeable taste while water does not.
My eJuice ratio is 50/50. Wicks good. Higher VG ratios will result in slower wicking.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: FluGlone on March 17, 2013, 11:58:45 AM
I sit my bottle of VG in a pot of hot tap water for several minutes. It makes it easier to draw the VG into a syringe.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: vapemistress on March 25, 2013, 11:22:42 AM
I sit my bottle of VG in a pot of hot tap water for several minutes. It makes it easier to draw the VG into a syringe.

Very good Flu. Warming does make it a lot easier to work with. What I do is pour a bit iin to a smaller container and microwave it for a couple of seconds. Be careful not to get too hot.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: littlebit on September 10, 2013, 08:59:07 AM
Im new to mixing and have a question. I bought 100 mg nicotine, mixed it with VG 50/50. when using the calculator what percentage of nic do I put down as beginning nic strength? would it be 100 mg or 50?
thanks for the help

also 2 of my flavors have a soapy taste to it, can anyone tell me why?
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on September 10, 2013, 09:38:39 AM
Im new to mixing and have a question. I bought 100 mg nicotine, mixed it with VG 50/50. when using the calculator what percentage of nic do I put down as beginning nic strength? would it be 100 mg or 50?
thanks for the help

also 2 of my flavors have a soapy taste to it, can anyone tell me why?

Hi littlebit and welcome to the forum.
You put 100 in the box next to mg. 50/50 is the PG/VG percentage. So you would put 50 for PG and 50 for VG. This all goes on the first line of the calculator.

Have you tried other flavoring besides the 2 that taste soapy? If all tastes soapy it could be the Nic, VG or PG. Did you clean out the bottle before pouring in the mix? Maybe soap residue.
What company brand of flavor are they and what flavor are they?
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: littlebit on September 10, 2013, 10:16:48 AM
Hi littlebit and welcome to the forum.
You put 100 in the box next to mg. 50/50 is the PG/VG percentage. So you would put 50 for PG and 50 for VG. This all goes on the first line of the calculator.

Have you tried other flavoring besides the 2 that taste soapy? If all tastes soapy it could be the Nic, VG or PG. Did you clean out the bottle before pouring in the mix? Maybe soap residue.
What company brand of flavor are they and what flavor are they?

I didnt know if you could mix the nic with both pg and vg so I mixed it with vg  :facepalm:

the nic, VG, PG all came from RTS, and the flavor was raspberry from TFA,  and the other was wintergreen from TFA. All the bottles were new (been vaping 4 weeks) and waiting for more bottles to arrive to try more flavors

Any suggestions for a newbie :)
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on September 10, 2013, 01:04:26 PM
I bought 120ml of 100 mg nic and mixed it with 120ml of vg. i want a vape strength to be 12
I cut it so it would be safer to use
I miss understood when you said 50/50. I now understand that you used 50% VG and 50% Nic. But I need to know what the original Nic ratio was.
So you cut your Nic strength in half and doubled the amount. What was the original Nic ratio? was it 50/50? If it was 50/50 see the attached for your Nic result. Your Nic is now:
Amount: 240ml
Strength: 50mg
Nic Ratio: PG is 25% and VG is 75% (if the original nic was 50/50)

When you make your recipe you will now enter on the first line of the calc, 50mg, PG 25% and VG 75%.
The 2nd line for Target Nicotine Strength you enter 12 mg
and of course your flavoring information and percentage
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on October 01, 2013, 08:04:31 PM
I received a bottle of Black Honey Tobacco by The Flavor Apprentice the other day. It is marketed as being similar to Captain Black pipe tobacco. I've smoked Captain Black many years ago and I can tell you it is no Captain Black. I have been dying to find something like C.B. Some people claim the honey is overpowering and no tobacco taste. I find a liquorice under tone mostly.
I will have to work this flavor a bit and see what I can do to make it better. Good thing I only made 3ml @ 5%.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Cajunsteaming on October 02, 2013, 08:47:59 PM
 :thankyou:
Loving this program, just made 3 mixes. Nemo but changed the lemon for Key Lime GREAT flavor, Then blood orange with black currant and double apple red apple and green apple. I have over 35 flavors to play with. I love this now I can make my Nic to the strength I like which is 10 mg. I have tried 12mg, 9 mg 6mg and 18, but 9 was goo and 12 was a little much now 10 is perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :drooling: ;footloose;
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on October 02, 2013, 09:24:54 PM
Congrats Cajun and happy mixing. Sounds like you'll be busy for quite some time
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Erck89 on October 03, 2013, 06:13:28 PM
After I make a recipe, I shake vigorously for several minutes. And in between use I also shake.
This is how I shake my mixes:


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   You never can shake a liquid that has a viscosity much thicker than water and get it to mix.  Both VG and PG are much thicker than water.  Consequently, at the molecular level, which is where we must be with our mixing, we never succeed in mixing our juices sufficiently unless we heat them, let them stand (Steep) for a longer period of time, or shake them mechanically.  A mechanical shaker can be expensive.  Even used.  Not to mention the shipping charges.  I new that the lab shakers were no more the an orbital device as apposed to a rotational device. 
so, I said to myself: Self what do you have or can get for cheap, that is orbital.  And self, being smarter than me, came back with . . . . . . an orbitial car waxing buffer.  That is what is shown in the pictures above.  About $10 bucks and it works like a champ.  Set your bottle or cylinder down on the pad, it stops turning and just orbits in a tight circle.   Heat your juice in hot water, then shake it on your orbital shaker and WA LA you are way ahead in the steeping cycle.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Lexxon on November 01, 2013, 01:33:46 AM
I am about to create a mix that has PGA and Water.  I'm assuming that Everclear is the PGA, and Distilled water would be the water of choice.  Is that correct?
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: FluGlone on November 01, 2013, 05:59:55 AM
I am about to create a mix that has PGA and Water.  I'm assuming that Everclear is the PGA, and Distilled water would be the water of choice.  Is that correct?
That would be both correct  :yes"
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Erck89 on November 01, 2013, 09:08:06 AM
I received a bottle of Black Honey Tobacco by The Flavor Apprentice the other day. It is marketed as being similar to Captain Black pipe tobacco. I've smoked Captain Black many years ago and I can tell you it is no Captain Black. I have been dying to find something like C.B. Some people claim the honey is overpowering and no tobacco taste. I find a liquorice under tone mostly.
I will have to work this flavor a bit and see what I can do to make it better. Good thing I only made 3ml @ 5%.

  Dave:  Wizard Labs make a good Capt. Black and a DK555, but it is not, as you said, C.B.  However, mix C.B. and DK555 50/50 and see how you like that.  If it is close you can always slide one or both to get the Blue Ribbon tobacco vape.  The other combo to try is DK555 and RL Camel.  If that is not sweet enough, add some English Blend or M Type. 
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on November 01, 2013, 09:24:08 AM
  Dave:  Wizard Labs make a good Capt. Black and a DK555, but it is not, as you said, C.B.  However, mix C.B. and DK555 50/50 and see how you like that.  If it is close you can always slide one or both to get the Blue Ribbon tobacco vape.  The other combo to try is DK555 and RL Camel.  If that is not sweet enough, add some English Blend or M Type. 

Thanks Eric may try that. I had added 1/2 Black Honey Tobb and 1/2 Burley Tobb which improved it. Not as sweet as before and more to my liking. The Liquorice taste has disappeared. Still no C.B. but better than before.

How are you feeling buddy? Hope much better.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Erck89 on November 01, 2013, 09:32:10 AM
Thanks Eric may try that. I had added 1/2 Black Honey Tobb and 1/2 Burley Tobb which improved it. Not as sweet as before and more to my liking. The Liquorice taste has disappeared. Still no C.B. but better than before.

How are you feeling buddy? Hope much better.

   Dave:  I am feeling much better.  Thanks for asking.  Now I have to work on getting my stamina back.  Can you spell Walk?  That's what it is going to take,
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Lexxon on November 02, 2013, 04:41:59 AM
Thanks Flu. Most appreciated.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: sparkervape on January 13, 2014, 04:11:59 PM
Hi all,,can someone let me know what is a good percentage to use for Lorann's oil flavoring. I know its pretty strong so I was thinking it should be less that 20%. I am a newbie to DIY,,,thanks in advance
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Lexxon on January 14, 2014, 03:18:46 AM
sparkervape,

I, myself, only use FlavourArts flavorings and I never use the ones that have oil in them.  I'm pretty sure flavorings with oil are something to stay away from.  If you check the forums here and at the EFC forum area, there are lists of flavorings that we should really stay away from, as far as vaping them anyway.

It has been my experience that some the the recipes in Breakthu's software are perfect and others have way to much flavoring.  My rule is to always make 3ml for a test and go low on the flavoring and if I need more flavor, I just add 1 or 2 drops of flavoring and try it again and keep track of the mix.  It is easy to add flavoring, but very hard to remove it  lol.  Hope I helped... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Erck89 on January 16, 2014, 12:52:24 AM
Hi all,,can someone let me know what is a good percentage to use for Lorann's oil flavoring. I know its pretty strong so I was thinking it should be less that 20%. I am a newbie to DIY,,,thanks in advance

  Mahiney:  I don't know what happened to my reply, RE: oils based flavors, That I posted just the other night, so I will hit the salient points here in an effort to save a couple lives.  Using flavors that are oil based can result in lipid or lipoid pneumonia or sometimes referred to as cholesterol pneumonia.  Depending on the quantity and duration of inhalation, this can result in death.  The problem is the difficulty in timely and correct diagnosis.  This is one of the questions the FDA is concerned with   These oil base flavors are probably used in the concentrates used in the food industry where they are consumed, not inhaled.  Also stay away from any flavor containing acetoin, diketones, diacetyl, and acetyl propionyl.  These are proven killers.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Lexxon on January 16, 2014, 01:07:57 AM
Erck89, Thanks for clearing that up.  I was pretty sure oils were bad.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: trackemdowm on January 25, 2014, 08:05:52 PM
Is it better to leave a new open to the air or leave it capped?
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Lexxon on January 26, 2014, 05:46:27 AM
I leave all my juice capped while they steep.  Don't want dust and anything else to get inside...
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Erck89 on March 04, 2014, 11:25:20 PM
Is it better to leave a new open to the air or leave it capped?

  Trackemdown:
 
    Steeping is not done to "boil" off ethers, it is to allow the molecules (ingredients) which make up a vaping liquid to  meld and form the smooth flavor(s) you are looking for.  Remember, most of the juice is PG and VG and that is what you are trying to flavor and what will be vaporized by the PV.  As an example,  peach concentrate takes between 4 and 6 WEEKS to reach full flavor.

   If you want to test the steeping benefit:  Mix a multi-flavor (concentrate) juice.  Try a small sample right after mixing and then every day, at approximately at the same time, each day for the next 7 days.  When it smooths out and taste like the final version of the juice will depend on the flavor you choose to make.  Let us know how your experiment goes.

          Eric
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: ngeb528 on March 10, 2014, 10:19:14 AM
I'm new here and learning a lot but I have a question about the use of vodka.  What is it being used for?  What kind of flavor (if any) is it adding to a DIY mix?  Don't get me wrong, I really LOVE vodka, lol, but never would have occurred to me to use it in e-juice.  Thanks.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Erck89 on March 10, 2014, 01:14:11 PM
  Trackemdown:
 
    Steeping is not done to "boil" off ethers, it is to allow the molecules (ingredients) which make up a vaping liquid to  meld and form the smooth flavor(s) you are looking for.  Remember, most of the juice is PG and VG and that is what you are trying to flavor and what will be vaporized by the PV.  As an example,  peach concentrate takes between 4 and 6 WEEKS to reach full flavor.

   If you want to test the steeping benefit:  Mix a multi-flavor (concentrate) juice.  Try a small sample right after mixing and then every day, at approximately at the same time, each day for the next 7 days.  When it smooths out and taste like the final version of the juice will depend on the flavor you choose to make.  Let us know how your experiment goes.

          Eric

       After I posted the above, it dawned on me that someone was going to point out there are alcohol based concentrates and leaving the bottle open allowed them to evaporate.  All that is true, except it is unnecessary.  Alcohol boils off at 140 degrees F and the coil in the atty or omizer runs somewhere around 1200 degrees F.  As I'm sure immediately realized any alcohol is long gone before the juice begins to form the vapor. 

                         Eric
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: ngeb528 on March 10, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
   

   I said to myself: Self what do you have or can get for cheap, that is orbital.  And self, being smarter than me, came back with . . . . . . an orbitial car waxing buffer.  That is what is shown in the pictures above.  About $10 bucks and it works like a champ.  Set your bottle or cylinder down on the pad, it stops turning and just orbits in a tight circle.   Heat your juice in hot water, then shake it on your orbital shaker and WA LA you are way ahead in the steeping cycle.

I read on another forum that they are using Ultrasonic Cleaners to steep the ejuice.  I pulled out my old jewelry cleaner and use warm water in the tank up to the line of liquid in the bottle (so they don't float) and let it run for a couple hours.  A lot of UC have cleaners that limit how long they run but my cheap one (from Target, I think) doesn't so I can run it as long as I want.  I let it run for 1 1/2 - 2 hrs then let it sit for an hour.  Replace the water so it's warm again and do it again. 

It seems to work well.  You get a bit of a color change as it steeps and you see that in a lot shorter time when you use the UC.  I repeat the process 3-4 times and it cuts out most of the steeping time.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: CraigHB on March 10, 2014, 05:59:19 PM
I'm new here and learning a lot but I have a question about the use of vodka.  What is it being used for?  What kind of flavor (if any) is it adding to a DIY mix?  Don't get me wrong, I really LOVE vodka, lol, but never would have occurred to me to use it in e-juice.  Thanks.

It's good in the mix.  Make the vapes feel lighter and less greasy, improves throat hit a bit, and adds a nice subtle flavor.  For high VG mixes, it thins the mix making it a thinner consistency better for tanks.  I actually use Everclear 190 which adds even more of the alcohol effect since it's almost pure grain alcohol.  And no, the 190 is not going to get you buzzed, the concentrations aren't nearly high enough to cause any measurable blood alcohol level.  Typically you would not use more than 8% of the overall mix depending on how much VG is in the mix, more VG, more alcohol, less VG, less alcohol.

Some flavorings are PGA based so if you're using any of those, you may already be vaping juice with grain alcohol in it.


Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: skittles2978 on April 12, 2014, 12:33:35 PM
Hello Fellow Vapor's
 I am New here and i wanted to see if someone may be able to help me with a problem i am having with Mixing, Here is my dilemma..Thanks to everyone in Advance for any help.

My Nicotine is a 50% /50% mix @ 36mg and i am trying to figure out how i can make a batch of ejuice by adding all my flavors and PG and VG but add the Nicotine as needed for different Strengths..0mg...6mg...12mg...18mg.. Is there a way i can make my flavor base a head and add the Nicotine at different Strengths, or am i just gonna have to mix the flavor base and add the PG /Vg and Nicotine on the different Nicotine Strengths..
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Shoogy on May 13, 2014, 02:31:34 PM
Hello Vaping Brethren,

    So I am new to the forum and I am also new to mixing my own flavors.  I was looking through the vaping calculator and saw that there was abbreviations after some of the flavors on some of the recipes.  I am guessing that has to do with the company that they are buying the flavors from.

So my question comes down to....    Is there like a table of contents or a key as to what companys what abbreviations go to?

I would be so appreciative if people could point me in the right direction.

Thank you for reading this..
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on May 13, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
CAP – Capella
CT – Chinese Tobacco
DV – Decadent Vapours
DSV – Dark Side Vapor
EGFD – Ella’s Gourmet Flavor Drops
ESS - Essence Flavor Concentrates
FA – Flavour Art
FE – Fruit Express
FF – Flavor Fog
GP – Good Prophets
FW – Flavor West
HC – Health Cabin
HS - Hangsen
HV - Heartland Vapes
INW – Wnawera
JF – Jungle Flavorz
LA – LorAnn
LAN – LorAnn Naturals
LF – Liberty Flights
MBV – Mount Baker Vapor (uses FW)
MFS – My Freedom Smoke
NF – Nature’s Flavors
PA/TPA/TFA – The Perfumer’s Apprentice/The Flavor Apprentice
SM – Seedman
TE – Tobacco Express
TP – Tasty Puff
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: moresby_68 on June 21, 2014, 02:35:41 PM
I am wanting to use 36 mg nic in a recipe. Do you guys know which pg/vg ratio would make it less harsh?

many thanks!!!
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: cccsteel on August 14, 2014, 05:57:24 AM
I am wanting to use 36 mg nic in a recipe. Do you guys know which pg/vg ratio would make it less harsh?

many thanks!!!

Less PG will lessen the throat hit. Mix a small batch and experiment to find what works for you. Start with 50/50 and go from there.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: shanen35 on August 17, 2014, 06:04:05 PM
36mg nic is a bit strong IMO
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: wwwest on August 22, 2014, 02:55:41 PM
I am wanting to use 36 mg nic in a recipe. Do you guys know which pg/vg ratio would make it less harsh?

many thanks!!!

How did you make out moresby?
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: senorseegar on September 22, 2014, 08:35:20 PM
I have an all in one solution of 25% pg and 75% vg of 100mg's of nicotine.  (ltr bottle)
My target is a 10 ml bottle of 10 mg's nicotine.
How do I follow the recipe?
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: shirl on September 23, 2014, 08:31:45 AM
I have an all in one solution of 25% pg and 75% vg of 100mg's of nicotine.  (ltr bottle)
My target is a 10 ml bottle of 10 mg's nicotine.
How do I follow the recipe?

Please explain "all in one solution"
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: senorseegar on September 23, 2014, 05:05:12 PM
I am sorry...
I have a littler bottle of 25% pg and 75% vg of 100mg of nicotine
My target is a 10ml bottle of 10mg.
How do I input these into the calculator seeing that I have flavor to add.
Does the flavor dilute my percentage of 25%pg and 75% vg or should I have a
certain percentage of pg and vg to add?      :begging:
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: shirl on September 23, 2014, 05:36:30 PM
Have you looked at the HOW TO (http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,205.0.html)

The first line of the calculator is where you enter your nic info. 25% in the PG box and 75% in VG. At the end of that same first line is where you will enter 100 for the mg box.

The second line you will enter 10 in the mg box which will be the target strength of your eJuice mix.

The third line is where you will enter 10 in the ml box. Which is the amount you want to make.

Below the Flav7 line is where you will enter the target PG/VG ratio for your final mix.

Adding flavoring which most likely will be 100% PG will change how much PG you will need to add.

Once your target PG/VG ratio is set. The calculator will automatically adjust PG and VG that needs to be added to maintain the target PG/VG ratio.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on February 17, 2015, 06:02:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G1FplYSLgI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G1FplYSLgI)
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: DiLynn on August 09, 2015, 12:59:56 PM
I have a question on the types of flavorings you can use to mix juices. I have purchased many flavorings from the usual vendors like Capella, Flavor West, Perf. Apprentice, etc.  Can the food flavorings from the grocery store also be used to mix juices?  Just wondering...
 :thankyou:
DiLynn
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: wordologist448 on August 20, 2015, 12:48:41 PM
Hi all,

I might just be a complete doofus, but how do I start a new post?? I have a couple of different questions that should go in different places, and I didn't want to tack them on at the bottom of this thread...the Help instructions say that there should be a "New Topic" button at the top and bottom of the forum, but I don't see them, even when I'm logged in - help!! :)
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: octoman on August 20, 2015, 01:02:38 PM
Hi all,

I might just be a complete doofus, but how do I start a new post?? I have a couple of different questions that should go in different places, and I didn't want to tack them on at the bottom of this thread...the Help instructions say that there should be a "New Topic" button at the top and bottom of the forum, but I don't see them, even when I'm logged in - help!! :)

I believe you need two prior postings before you will see the NEW TOPIC button
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: wordologist448 on August 20, 2015, 02:15:55 PM
I believe you need two prior postings before you will see the NEW TOPIC button

Hmmm, oooookay - well, here's number 2; I'll try it after this!
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: wordologist448 on August 20, 2015, 02:17:02 PM
I believe you need two prior postings before you will see the NEW TOPIC button

Hmmm, oooookay - well, here's number 2; I'll try it after this!
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Erck89 on August 20, 2015, 03:07:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G1FplYSLgI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G1FplYSLgI)

Brother D:   I have a 30 sec. video of my DIY Stirrer I would like to show and don't have a clue how to put it on here.  As you have done so many times, please enlighten this old man.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Breaktru on August 20, 2015, 03:44:24 PM
Brother D:   I have a 30 sec. video of my DIY Stirrer I would like to show and don't have a clue how to put it on here.  As you have done so many times, please enlighten this old man.

What I do is upload it to YouTube first. Then click the "Insert Hyperlink" in you message post and put the YouTube link between the hyperlink tags.

Actually you don't have to use the Insert Hyperlink. It will also work if you just paste the link of your Youtube video.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Erck89 on August 20, 2015, 05:45:29 PM
 ;cheers;   Thank you, sir.   :thankyou:

         Eric
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Khuongfighter on August 06, 2016, 05:41:27 AM
I'm newbie here. So could anyone show me what is 'steeping'? For what? And how to steep my ejuice. Tks all guys :thankyou:
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Lexxon on August 06, 2016, 01:15:24 PM
Steeping is very simple.  Just put your juice in a cool and dark place and just let it sit.  I usually shake the juice once a day to insure it is mixed well.  Most juices will take around 5 days to fully steep.  However, some juice's will take more or less time due to the ingredients used.  Best rule of thumb is 5 days.  The more familiar you are with your juice type, the easier it will be to know just how long your juice takes to fully steep and give you the best flavor.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Khuongfighter on September 08, 2016, 12:57:14 PM
And one thing, i have 100ml of sweetener and ice flavor. How much can i put them into my ejuice?
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Lexxon on September 08, 2016, 07:25:10 PM
Khuongfighter

You can put enough to satisfy your taste.  I wouldn't put 35% of either, but 1 to 2 % would give you an idea what it tastes like so you can decide to put more or less the next time.  Test it is small batches, like 5 mill or 10 mill.  That way if you hate it, you won't lose much.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: sunny2019by on July 15, 2019, 08:53:55 AM
 :rockin smiley:Tips for Making Vape Juice
– Test each flavor independently.
– Take advantage of online resources to find as much information as you can about making e-juice.
– Take notes as you experiment with various tastes and flavors.
– When it comes to flavoring, less is more. Using larger amounts of flavor does not always translate to flavorful e-juice.
– Handle nicotine carefully. Keep it out of reach of children and pets.
– Always measure the amounts and proportions of your ingredients. Guesswork will mess up everything.

This is what I learned from an article. And I think it's quite helpful for me. Hope it meets your needs for DIY. You can check here if you're interested: https://www.worldvaping.com/how-to-make-vape-juice/
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: elzakivis on July 15, 2019, 12:34:23 PM
Exactly sunny. Thanks for posting so others can benefit.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
Post by: Tameron on July 15, 2019, 06:50:17 PM
:rockin smiley:Tips for Making Vape Juice
– Test each flavor independently.
– Take advantage of online resources to find as much information as you can about making e-juice.
– Take notes as you experiment with various tastes and flavors.
– When it comes to flavoring, less is more. Using larger amounts of flavor does not always translate to flavorful e-juice.
– Handle nicotine carefully. Keep it out of reach of children and pets.
– Always measure the amounts and proportions of your ingredients. Guesswork will mess up everything.

This is what I learned from an article. And I think it's quite helpful for me. Hope it meets your needs for DIY. You can check here if you're interested: https://www.worldvaping.com/how-to-make-vape-juice/

Great info and welcome to the forum sunny2019.
I've been there when I first started. I kept adding flavoring with no satisfaction. Yes less is more for sure.
Title: Re: DIY eJuice Mixing
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