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Title: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on December 14, 2010, 12:46:02 PM
COPPER TUBE MOD:
The best material to build a MOD is Copper. Copper is an excellent conductor of electricity. Technically it is better than thin walled tin, alloy, cast or aluminum which are not great conductors.
A "NO SOLDER" PV can lead to poor connections and amperage loss if not properly aligned to the adjoining parts. I have experienced this with a mod I bought.

I have just built a thick walled copper tube mod. More like copper pipe. I soldered the atty base to the copper cap and the atty positive directly to the switch. The switch is a 3amp switch. The other end of the switch is soldered to the positive copper head screw, filed flat to fit flush against the head of the battery post with the entire diameter of the screw covering the entire battery post.

All wire used is 20 gauged for less loss. I opted not to use thin 24-26 gauge telephone wire. The negative spring is a thick diameter gauged chrome plated steel. I would have used copper but the copper springs that I have seen are thin diameter and loose there spring tension. I'm sure there are good copper ones but I could not find any. UP DATE: Installed a Copper Hot Spring made for the Silver Bullet.

My view on the plunger is that the contact point would have to fit squarely flush for best contact. If there is any side to side play/movement full contact may not be achieved. So I went with the 3 amp switch instead.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mod
Post by: dannyboy on December 16, 2010, 02:12:49 PM
I'm jealous. I want one badly. I would love to see pictures of a copper mod.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mod
Post by: Breaktru on December 16, 2010, 04:51:43 PM
I really love the way this copper came out. I will post pictures as soon as I get the switch. I'm also working on a unique method for a locking mechanism for the battery end cap. Rather than the screw or o-ring method. It's a simple method but with hand tools it's not that easy. If only I had technical machinery. I have an idea in my head. Now to get it work in the real world.

**I am happy to share info with all that drop by this forum. So dropping a mention when you post your mod elsewhere would be a decent gesture.
Show your support by signing up as a member and please participate by posting**

For now, here is a drawing:
(http://breaktru.com/images/copper_mod.jpg)     (http://breaktru.com/temp/copper.jpg)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mod
Post by: tommygun on December 16, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
Me too breaktru. I want one. I'd like to make a 6v with a regulator but I lack the skills. Oh well, I'll keep dreaming.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mod
Post by: Breaktru on December 18, 2010, 11:38:15 AM
Here are some photos of my copper with out the switch install as yet....

The Ball Bearing worked very well but after much use, it fell out. It didn't solder well probably S.S. A copper BB would be good but they are too large.
I put in a tiny machine screw in it's place. The protruding stud serves the same purpose as the ball bearing, allowing it to twist on and twist off.
Two on each end of the cap would be better but precise cutting of the grooves is imperative. Hard to do with simple hand tools.

Ball bearing: I drilled a hole not all the way thru from the inside of the cap, half the diameter of the ball bearing, heated up the cap w/ torch, put a tiny drop of solder, put in ball bearing, heated again so bearing would stick to cap.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mod
Post by: Breaktru on December 18, 2010, 12:37:00 PM
More photos

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Title: Re: Copper Tube Mod
Post by: Breaktru on December 18, 2010, 12:39:43 PM
and more.........

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Title: Re: Copper Tube Mod
Post by: Breaktru on December 18, 2010, 06:25:51 PM
A 3 amp switch has been added. C&K component sub-mini SPST, N/O - http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?vendor=0&keywords=ckn10193
I drilled and tapped with a 1/4" x 40 tap size. The lock nut is on the inside.
Notice that I cut down the cap lengths to half their original size.

Okay an update:
I've been using this thing for almost a week now and I got to say it's fantastic. It has not leaked one bit. I've use several attys that have leaked on my other two PV's and have not leaked in the copper. Is it a better atty base. The base was bought from Madvapes.

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Title: Re: Copper Tube Mod Varible Voltage 3.6v - 6.1v
Post by: Breaktru on December 19, 2010, 03:53:32 PM
Variable Voltage Mod
Now that I've got this 3.7 volt tube mod figured out, I build another Copper Tube little longer to fit a switching regulator with a variable control.
I had bought 2 feet of copper pipe and only used 4" for the mod above. I am using (2) 3.7 volt 18350's, 1200mah, protected batteries which are 38mm long each.

The regulator that I got as a free sample from TI is: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ptr08100w.pdf is up to 96% efficient with little heat.
I seen it in the Evercool by bigblue30 at: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-mods/114901-evercool-variable-voltage-mod.html (http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-mods/114901-evercool-variable-voltage-mod.html)

Although my end caps work good, I cut them down even smaller. I spend today cutting and fitting the parts and wired up the regulator. Tested the circuitry outside the tube and I can vary the voltage (no load) from 3.6v to 6.1v (fully charged). I am in the process of putting it all together. Also waiting on a couple of HV atomizers that I ordered. Don't want to pop my standards.

Update:
Mod all together but......
Unfortunately I broke the 3a CK push button switch after threading it into the pipe for the 3rd time trying to get the parts aligned better. Dam, paid 6.49 at MV. Bought the same for my first mod at Digi-key for $5

Update 2:
Search thru my pile of old computer parts and found several push-buttons. I found an exact replacement for the broken CK switch at 3 amps at 12 volts.
Okay Mod completed and I am set at 4.23volts with a 2.8 ohm atty I found.
I got to say, it's a bit long at 6" but would make a nice self defense weapon.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mod Varible Voltage 3.6v - 6.1v
Post by: Breaktru on January 03, 2011, 05:39:37 PM
The Varible Voltage Copper Mod is on the far right with (2) 3.7v 18350's, 1200mah.
I'm really like it at 5.0 volts.

From left to right:
Tornado w/900mah and 2 650mah batteries with eGo type B Mega atty/cart.
Indulgence V2 w/3.7v 18650, 2400mah battery and 510, 810, 901, 401 atty tops.
Copper mod w/ 3.7v 18650, 2400mah battery and Joye 306LR atty.
Copper mod Variable Voltage w/ (2) 3.7v 18350's, 1200mah batteries and a Joye 2.8 ohm atty.

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Title: Re: Copper Tube Mod
Post by: blueeyes on January 04, 2011, 08:40:58 PM
I'm going to build one. I think I'll start with the 3.7v mod as my electrical skills are limit. Thanks Breaktru, your diagram and photos are a good guide. I think I'll will buy the CK switch and battery connectors from Madvapes. Too bad they don't have springs. It would be nice to get all the parts from one vendor.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mod
Post by: Breaktru on January 05, 2011, 07:25:02 PM
I like the way the cut down caps came out. The shorter one is on the VV mod.

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Title: Re: Copper Tube Mod
Post by: dannyboy on January 08, 2011, 09:37:21 PM
I definitely like the look of the cut down caps. Gives it a better look. Thanks for your diagram. You made this so simple. I'm building mine as soon as I get my parts. And it's so cheap to make and best of all, I'll be making it myself.
Title: Re: Copper Tube V.V. Mod
Post by: Breaktru on January 15, 2011, 01:42:50 PM
See the Variable Voltage Copper Mod at:

http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,170.msg318.html#msg318
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: michamer on January 26, 2011, 05:49:21 PM
You made this thread so easy to follow, I am going try my hand at making this mod. Then I'm going on to your V.V. Copper Mod.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: Pantera on February 12, 2011, 07:32:38 AM
I just finished my Copper PV Mod using your above information and I am so proud of myself for building this great PV. It only cost me a few bucks for parts and materials.
I want to thank you so much breaktru for making this available to us on your web site. I visited your main breaktru.com site and looked over some of your programs. I will be registering your Payroll software, great program. I have a small business with 5 employees and this will come in handy calculating their withholding tax for their paychecks.
Also, I've been using your eJuice calculator for a month now and it is a wonderful tool. I used the others out there and NONE compare to yours. Thanks again my friend. I will recommend your site to all my friends and everyone I associate with.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: Darkreign on May 24, 2011, 01:49:24 AM
First, I would like to thank you for such an inspiring and simple Mod.  Personally, I have always loved the look and feel of a well worn copper tool.  As an analog smoker I was rarely seen without my copper Zippo and this mod will make a wonderful and healthier replacement for that trusty friend.   :)

I am about 75% complete and awaiting parts from Madvapes so that I can finish.  However, since I am relatively new to the art I overlooked the limitations of the switch that I ordered and I am in need of an expert's opinion of how to rectify the problem.  Here is the switch that is already on the way, http://www.madvapes.com/Tactile-Switch-with-Round-actuator-300g_p_2208.html and in reading the specifications tonight I realized that it has an input limitation of 50 ma and without a solution I will burn it out running an 18650 without some sort of transistor.  Initially I was going to order the LDO 5 volt, 3.0 amp regulator with control pin to solve the problem, however they are out of stock and do not know when they will get more.

I was considering a trip to Radio Shack to pick up a simple transistor, however, since I am completely out of my element here I was hoping you might be able to suggest the correct one (Maybe http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062618 ) and possibly some sort of diagram.  I suspect that I will need a resistor in line with the switch to reduce the 1.5 amp down to .5 amp for the switch, is that correct?

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated and Thank You again for all the information you have openly provided.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: Breaktru on May 24, 2011, 10:17:10 AM
First, I would like to thank you for such an inspiring and simple Mod.  Personally, I have always loved the look and feel of a well and I am in need of an expert's opinion of how to rectify the problem. 

Thank you. It's a pleasure to help.
Right now I'm @ jury duty.
The easiest & space saving solution is to use a 3 amp PB sw. If u r bent on using a MOSFET 2 utilize the tactile sw, I can help u out when I get home.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: Darkreign on May 24, 2011, 11:47:56 AM
Thank's for the quick reply and sorry to hear about the Jury Duty.  I am not opposed to using a 3v switch, I would just prefer to use the tactile.  That, and I hate to buy something and not use it (even if its only a couple of dollars)

I hope you have a good day and look forward to future correspondence.  And Thank You again for all the hard work you put into this.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: Breaktru on May 24, 2011, 01:52:42 PM
I am not opposed to using a 3a switch, I would just prefer to use the tactile.  That, and I hate to buy something and not use it (even if its only a couple of dollars)

Okay I need some questions answered:
Are you making a standard copper mod with just a single battery, P.B. switch and atty?
I want to make sure you are not adding any regulators as this would be a different wiring scheme.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: Darkreign on May 24, 2011, 03:25:26 PM
It is almost identical to your OP with the exception of the type of switch and some minor aesthetic changes.  For wiring purposes it is identical at this point.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: Breaktru on May 24, 2011, 04:51:07 PM
I am not opposed to using a 3a switch, I would just prefer to use the tactile.  That, and I hate to buy something and not use it (even if its only a couple of dollars)

See: how-can-you-even-use-smallest-switch (http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/133774-how-can-you-even-use-smallest-switch.html#post2106279)
You can use the tact sw or make it a touch sensor.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: Darkreign on May 24, 2011, 05:41:06 PM
Thanks for the link.  I had come across it during the day today, but was not sure if it would apply to my setup.  I appreciate you verifying this for me.  One question regarding one of the posts that seems to fit my situation the best.

With a switch it's even simpler. And you only need one resister and the value is not that critical. In Raidy's diagram just delete the first 1K resistor and just wire direct to 'G' (GND) on the mosfet. Nuck uses a 10k on his 5V Fistpack, bigblue is showing a 47k.



Just use one of the mosfets that need 2.5V or lower to fire. And note you are switching the negative. If you are using it in a pipe or flashlight mod just flip the battery around (making it a positive ground).


This is on the second page posted by WillyB.  If I am reading this right I would need to insert the battery in backwards for this to operate, is that correct?

Thanks again for all of the help and I will see if I can get some pictures up to show my progress.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: Breaktru on May 24, 2011, 06:26:09 PM
Notice that the resistance values differ from Gate to Source on the Mosfets that the users have chosen. Due to the different characteristics of the Mosfets. Check the Mosfet numbers before ordering resistors. Don't assume that the same G to S resistor will work on all Mosfets. If you look at the Mosfet P-Channel that I used in my "Side x Side" Mod, you will see a different value. I have a large selection of resistors and physically tried different values to get it to work.

Yes if you use a switch, you don't need the 1k.
Yes in WillyB's the battery was reversed.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: Darkreign on May 25, 2011, 02:42:01 AM
Well, as it turns out, I have decided to postpone the utilization of the tactile switch until I have had a chance to educate myself on the electrical properties of the Mosfets and quite possibly until I start to build my first VV device.  I do thank you for all the information and resources, not to mention the instructional post on the Copper Mod.  I have completed the shell components and the majority of the wiring with a regular 3 amp switch.  The only missing components are the battery and the battery connection, both are on order and I hope to have them by the end of the week. 

Link to current state with Tornado as reference.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/63319233@N06/5757119415/

I will try and post a picture once its complete, an thanks again for all the help.

D



Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: elzakivis on May 28, 2011, 11:46:21 AM
I am not opposed to using a 3a switch, I would just prefer to use the tactile.

I have read posts on ECF and they say that the tactile switch is milliamp rated. Aren't you running like around 2 amps thru it? Wouldn't it burn out?
I would listen to the Pro. Mr. Breaktru. He's seems to be knowledgeable about this.
I may not have the post numbers, but I do a lot of forum stalking.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: breaktru_software on May 28, 2011, 04:16:32 PM
I have read posts on ECF and they say that the tactile switch is milliamp rated. Aren't you running like around 2 amps thru it? Wouldn't it burn out?
I would listen to the Pro. Mr. Breaktru. He's seems to be knowledgeable about this.
I may not have the post numbers, but I do a lot of forum stalking.

Yes elza, that tactile is a nice switch for LOW amperage (50ma) and not suited for 2 amps.
I used it for my Digital Pot because it is a LOW current circuit.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: steamEngine on June 09, 2011, 06:53:05 AM
I like the feel of a clickity, click, click button. Nothing against the mosfet with a touch or tactile button. Just my preference
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: columbusbk on July 14, 2011, 05:36:57 PM
I found this copper mod link on another forum. It sure is popular. Now I see why. With all this info here I can see why. Looks easy and reliable solid mod.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on July 20, 2011, 10:30:04 AM
Recieved a post over at ECF from M.M.M. about how I keep the copper shiny and how often.......

I use #0000 grade steel wool about once a week. Takes about 5 seconds to make it shiny bright again.
Warning, leave the atty on so not to get any tiny metal hairs into the battery to atty connector. Don't wan't to cause a short. There so dam small and you may not notice it.
Also, be careful if you're buffing w/ S.W. with the tubes off. That stuff can get inside the circuitry and short out the internals.
Haven't tried the Scotch pads. They may work but I'm sure it would be more effort to shine to a bright finish.

Update: Scotch pads work fine. Comes in several grades.

Don't use too coarse of a grade of steel wool or scotch pads. You don't want to make scratches in your copper. Takes a lot of effort to remove them.

(http://breaktru.com/ecig/3m_scotch_grade.gif)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: icemanx3 on September 23, 2011, 08:21:33 PM
Awesome instructions! 

It would be really cool if you mentioned the diameter of the tubes, endcaps, and approximate lengths for a single 18650 battery and all the pieces laid out. etc.  I went to home depot and they didn't have those end caps can you believe it?  Another thing I noticed was that the costs were around $30+ for the materials so I decided to wait to post here to make sure that sounds about right before I bought anything or paid too much.

Thank so much for the great instructions!!  Can't wait to figure it all out and find all the pieces to try it.

ice
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on September 23, 2011, 09:36:18 PM
3/4" copper tubing 2ft, $11: http://goo.gl/D1ufq (can make several tubes w/ 2' of tubing)
Caps x 2 = $2.28: http://goo.gl/bVn21
Battery connector MV: $2
P.B. Sw $4
Copper spring about $2.50
18650 batt $6.79 = http://www.madvapes.com/TrustFire-Protected-18650-Battery-2400-mah-_p_2753.html
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: DRA on September 28, 2011, 10:50:14 AM
3/4" copper tubing 2ft, $11: http://goo.gl/D1ufq (can make several tubes w/ 2' of tubing)
Caps x 2 = $2.28: http://goo.gl/bVn21
Battery connector MV: $2
P.B. Sw $4
Copper spring about $2.50
18650 batt $6.79 = http://www.madvapes.com/TrustFire-Protected-18650-Battery-2400-mah-_p_2753.html

So actually at 5 inches long you can get 4.8 tubes out of a 2 foot pipe
and I can get caps cheaper if you look around.
I found a 3 amp P.B. for about $2.50
Also found cheaper plated springs and cheaper batteries.
I could get the price down to $10 with the cheaper parts for a 5 or 6 inch copper tube mod.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: icemanx3 on September 29, 2011, 05:21:23 PM
AWESOME info!  Thanks so much!  :)   :beer-toast:

ice
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: eliteedge_7 on December 11, 2011, 03:05:10 AM
I am starting my mods tomorrow. one 5 volt 18350 copper and one 3.7 volt copper. I love the look of these mods, tired of paying too much for tube mods built by others. made many box mods now with all this forums help I can finally break free from plastic box. :) thanks to all
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: hatefire on December 16, 2011, 12:37:52 PM
great mod.  I've been looking at the facorty 18650 batt mods, cuz like an idot I started out with a little ecig but I hate to spend money, and I thought I could do this and save a bunch.  Going to HD when I get off work. and gonna make 4 or 5 of em for the guys at the fire station.  thanks again
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on December 16, 2011, 01:07:05 PM
great mod.  I've been looking at the facorty 18650 batt mods, cuz like an idot I started out with a little ecig but I hate to spend money, and I thought I could do this and save a bunch.  Going to HD when I get off work. and gonna make 4 or 5 of em for the guys at the fire station.  thanks again

A lot of us started out w/ those little ecig thingy including me. Mine was a from eSmoke which helped me totally quite smoking in 3 days. Plus it had a 30 day money back refund which I made good on, on the 29th day.

I'm sure the guys at the fire station will love a copper mod. It's a manly mod for sure.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on December 16, 2011, 10:04:38 PM
I have made a few coppers myself and you can check the links below. I love them! Thanks Mr. Breaktru!

 :beer-toast:



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Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on December 16, 2011, 10:51:42 PM
I have made a few coppers myself and you can check the links below. I love them! Thanks Mr. Breaktru!

Very nice assortments of copper mods fsors.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on December 16, 2011, 11:26:58 PM
 :beer-toast: Thank you Mr Breaktru! You are the original! :thankyou: :rockin smiley:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: hatefire on December 21, 2011, 08:48:54 PM
Thanks again to Mr. Breaktru, I don't think I would have attempted this mod. if it had not been for your pix. and instructions.  First. buy extra pipe and caps, your gonna screw a few up. even with a drill press there were a few caps destroyed in the process. extra parts, order a few, well the switches I bought were very large, they didn't look that big on the web site. oh well, I made due.  my 510 connection, yea I ruined one of those as well. I wish I would have taken more pix, but this project took longer than I thought.  for the positive terminal of the battery I used a center section of a large suction cup cut down to fit snuggly, with a screw in the center for the terminal and then I expoxyed it in the tube once I got it placed in the proper location. with the 18650 battery.,  All in all, it vapes like a choo choo train, and I love it.  I got more switches on the way and plans to build more.  I will take step by step pix next time. right now, I need to vape.  thanks to everyone who has posted their mod.

Ok, I can't figure out how to insert pix. any help. thanks
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on December 21, 2011, 10:03:45 PM
If you were using Quick Reply, click the "Preview" button for more options.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: hatefire on December 21, 2011, 11:29:11 PM
I replied using the reply buttom and when I click on insert image it just puts the words img in my post. I know I'm doing something wrong. I just cant seem to figure it out.  tried using the help button and search button for answers, but nothing,  tried cut and paste. 
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on December 22, 2011, 07:01:35 AM
For an image link you would have to enter a location to the image such as a web address.
To attach an image from your PC, look below the text box, the left bottom corner has a "+ Additional Options.."
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on December 22, 2011, 07:12:45 AM
Thanks again to Mr. Breaktru, I don't think I would have attempted this mod. if it had not been for your pix. and instructions.  First. buy extra pipe and caps, your gonna screw a few up. even with a drill press there were a few caps destroyed in the process. extra parts, order a few, well the switches I bought were very large, they didn't look that big on the web site. oh well, I made due.  my 510 connection, yea I ruined one of those as well. I wish I would have taken more pix, but this project took longer than I thought.  for the positive terminal of the battery I used a center section of a large suction cup cut down to fit snuggly, with a screw in the center for the terminal and then I expoxyed it in the tube once I got it placed in the proper location. with the 18650 battery.,  All in all, it vapes like a choo choo train, and I love it.  I got more switches on the way and plans to build more.  I will take step by step pix next time. right now, I need to vape.  thanks to everyone who has posted their mod.

Ok, I can't figure out how to insert pix. any help. thanks

Thanks H.F. Glad pix and instructs helped out. No need for the Mr. title.
Always good to have extra parts on hand. I always over buy just in case.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: hatefire on December 22, 2011, 11:39:03 AM
ok, i'm a little slow, here comes the pix,i hope


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Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on December 22, 2011, 12:01:49 PM
 :applaude:
Good work H.F. Looks good. Button is big but not bad looking.  :yes"
The guys at the fire station will like the Red button.  :laughing:
It's how it works that matters.  :rockin smiley:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: wwwest on December 22, 2011, 04:05:04 PM
Very nicely done hatefire. You put a nice shine on it.  :thumbsup:
I love coppers they are the coolest thing. Everyone should have at least one on hand.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: hatefire on December 22, 2011, 05:09:31 PM
Thanks, for the comments, and the assistance from all the other modders.  after I polished the copper I put a coat of clear on it to maintain the shine.   currently running a brc 18650 3600mAh 3.7 li-ion protected battery in it.  will give an update on battery life at a later time. also running the Bauway 510 XL CE2 clear cartomizer 2.9 ohm filled with spring vapor (irish cream) pg/vg 50/50 blend. emptied one cart on second fill up, so far so good.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on December 22, 2011, 06:23:19 PM
Nice work! :beer-toast: Looks good! Love them coppers! :rockin smiley:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: rrtwister on December 25, 2011, 04:45:38 PM
ok, i'm a little slow, here comes the pix,i hope

Nice work hatefire. Very cool making a copper mod.  8)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V. my mod reviewedhere
Post by: hatefire on December 30, 2011, 07:14:27 PM
here is a review of my mod. what's good, what's bad
battery life - 18650 3600mAh 3.7 li-ion protected battery, measured by how many cartos I used before battery needed recharging.
 I was using Bauway 510 XL CE2 clear cartomizer 2.9 ohm. I was able to fill and vape 4 1/2 cartos before battery needed to be recharged.  i think that is outstanding. 
No failures of the mod.  I took the battery cap off and removed the battery each day, as I didn't want to activate the mod while it was in my motorcycle bag.
bad - I need to make the bottom cap flat, so that it can stand up, cuz when I lay it on its side the carto leaks thru the mouthpiece, yuck,  I need to put more than one coat of clear coat on the mod,  it has rubbed off in the areas that get handled the most.  i would like to make some sort of protective sleave that protectes the carto. although I havent had any problems, I forsee the carto getting snapped off or bent.  well thats it for now.  I think the next one will be made of elecrical EMT pipe or aluminum.


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Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on December 30, 2011, 08:01:09 PM
Nice HF.
Those caps are manufactured by two different companies. Home Depot sold the flat bottom when I bought my first set but several weeks later an employee told me that they switched to the slightly convex cap. I sorted through a bin to find the flat caps.

If you are worried about snapping off the atty while carrying it in you're M/C bag and find it a hassle to unscrew, look at the RCA jack / Phono Jack type connectors for plugging your atty/carto into the battery connector. I don't remember the link location for it.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kd0afk on August 11, 2012, 07:29:30 PM
I really like the design. It has given me ideas for my own mods. What are your views on magnetic switches? I realize they don't have the conductivity of a wired switch but for me the ruggedness of the mag switch outweighs the need to wire it. also like your idea of using shower door wheels as an insulator for the pos. post, very nice.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on August 11, 2012, 07:36:54 PM
I really like the design. It has given me ideas for my own mods. What are your views on magnetic switches? I realize they don't have the conductivity of a wired switch but for me the ruggedness of the mag switch outweighs the need to wire it. also like your idea of using shower door wheels as an insulator for the pos. post, very nice.

Thanks kd0afk, ya gotta use what you have on hand sometimes. I don't throw anything away   :laughing:
I like the look of the magnetic switch as Asdaq has done on many of his mods. Never gave it a thought about putting one in my mods. I'd like to see you post yours once your done.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kd0afk on August 11, 2012, 09:39:09 PM
Now you ruined my day.  :laughing: I did a serch for him and found his "skeletal" mod. It looks more "steampunk" than my "steampunk" mod idea and his was unintentional. :facepalm:
 ;bow;
 I am working on a circular voltage adjustment based on a "C" shaped piece of carbon or some high resistance material. Voltage is adjusted by turning a collar, all mechanical. I am just moving into a new apartment and my finances are suffering right now but at the end of the month I should be back to tinkering.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jcal on August 13, 2012, 09:37:43 PM
Hi guys noob here .just ordered all the parts for my copper tube mod. hope i can make it as nice looking
as breaktru.will post pics.thanks for the info would never have been possible without breaktru . :beer-toast:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on August 13, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
Hi guys noob here .just ordered all the parts for my copper tube mod. hope i can make it as nice looking
as breaktru.will post pics.thanks for the info would never have been possible without breaktru . :beer-toast:

Hey jcal. Glad you decided to build one. It would be nice to see your photos.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jcal on August 17, 2012, 05:05:07 PM
Hi Breaktru had my first mishap. I think I drilled the switch hole too low :help: . Now when I put the battery
in it hits the switch .oh well back to shop to cut another piece of pipe . glad I bought two feet. oh can
put the connector head all the way down for a neater look or would it restrict the atomizer air flow.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on August 17, 2012, 05:16:48 PM
Hi Breaktru had my first mishap. I think I drilled the switch hole too low :help: . Now when I put the battery
in it hits the switch .oh well back to shop to cut another piece of pipe . glad I bought two feet. oh can
put the connector head all the way down for a neater look or would it restrict the atomizer air flow.

Oh well there's always more pipe  :laughing:

I like to lay out the internal parts along side the copper tube before drilling and cutting.
I have recessed (mounted flush) the 510 connector on other coppers. Won't restrict the air flow. I also fill the connector w/ epoxy on the underside around the center post to prevent juice from leaking in.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jcal on August 17, 2012, 05:22:00 PM
thanks breaktru ill try it. you were right about the learning curve.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kd0afk on August 17, 2012, 09:46:18 PM
Had the idea the other day to take an end cap, grind a curve on the side so that it fits peninsular to a pipe, braze it on to make a place for the button.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on August 27, 2012, 11:22:53 AM
Hello all, It's been over a year since I started vaping and I've made a few copper mods in that time. I stumbled across some of breaktru's mods early on and thought they were outstanding.  I make my mods for fun, I don't sell them because they just take way to long to make. Thanks again breaktru for the inspiration =) .  I have a website with all of the mods I've made @ http://www.learfx.com

[img width= height=]http://learfx.com/tmp/buddha1.png[/img]    [img width= height=]http://learfx.com/tmp/steampunk.JPG[/img] 
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on August 27, 2012, 12:57:05 PM
Outstanding Lear. You have been busy while you were away from this forum.  :rockin smiley:
You've taken the Copper to a new dimension.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jcal on August 28, 2012, 09:37:40 PM
great mod Lear.love the design.working on some mods myself will post pics soon.thanks
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Pantera on August 28, 2012, 10:01:00 PM
Hello all, It's been over a year since I started vaping and I've made a few copper mods in that time. I stumbled across some of breaktru's mods early on and thought they were outstanding.  I make my mods for fun, I don't sell them because they just take way to long to make. Thanks again breaktru for the inspiration =) .  I have a website with all of the mods I've made @ http://www.learfx.com


Wow Lear, really beautiful work
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kd0afk on August 28, 2012, 10:05:13 PM
I think the steampunk is my favorite.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jcal on August 29, 2012, 06:02:35 PM
well i succeeded  posting my pics . here is my first tube mod.any suggestions  and or comments are
welcomed we are here to learn from one another thank you Dave.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on August 29, 2012, 06:07:19 PM
Congratrulations jcal on you first tube mod  :beer-toast: Nicely done  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: dannyboy on August 29, 2012, 06:10:48 PM
well i succeeded  posting my pics . here is my first tube mod.any suggestions  and or comments are
welcomed we are here to learn from one another thank you Dave.

Congrats. Looks good. How is it vaping? Can't think of any suggestions.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jcal on August 29, 2012, 06:34:50 PM
Its vapes great.That 18650 lasts a long time too. Big difference from my ego 900 mah batterry
thank you Dave it is your design
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kevlarsho11 on November 08, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you for the inspiration to build a copper tube mod! I am new here and just completed my mod using 2 18650's the only carto's i have right now are 1.5 to 1.8 ohms. The vape i am getting is a huge improvement over my ego twist with a tank setup. However the vape is pretty hot. What is the best option for cooling it down a bit without losing quantity?

Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on November 08, 2012, 07:26:13 PM
:thankyou: Thank you for the inspiration to build a copper tube mod! I am new here and just completed my mod using 2 18650's the only carto's i have right now are 1.5 to 1.8 ohms. The vape i am getting is a huge improvement over my ego twist with a tank setup. However the vape is pretty hot. What is the best option for cooling it down a bit without losing quantity?

Welcome to the forum. Nice to hear about your build and you're welcome.

What's inside the mod? Is it V.V. w/ two 18650's in series? or is it just the batteries?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kevlarsho11 on November 08, 2012, 07:57:00 PM
It is just the batteries. My fluke meter is saying its putting out 8.02 volts without the carto. no v.v. yet maybe my next one.

also the cartos are dual coil. 1.5 to 1.8 ohm
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on November 08, 2012, 08:39:04 PM
It is just the batteries. My fluke meter is saying its putting out 8.02 volts without the carto. no v.v. yet maybe my next one.

also the cartos are dual coil. 1.5 to 1.8 ohm

That's way too much voltage to put into a 1.5 or 1.8 ohm carto. Surprised they didn't pop.
Calculations show a 1.5 ohm would be 42.88 Watts / 5.35 amps and a 1.8 ohm at  35.7 watts / 4.45 amps. Of course the batteries wouldn't be able to deliver the said wattage/amperage so I'm sure if you measured under load the output voltage would be dropping quite a bit.
A 6.0 ohm carto would be 10.7 watts / 1.34 amps
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kevlarsho11 on November 08, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
That's way too much voltage to put into a 1.5 or 1.8 ohm carto. Surprised they didn't pop.
Calculations show a 1.5 ohm would be 42.88 Watts / 5.35 amps and a 1.8 ohm at  35.7 watts / 4.45 amps. Of course the batteries wouldn't be able to deliver the said wattage/amperage so I'm sure if you measured under load the output voltage would be dropping quite a bit.
A 6.0 ohm carto would be 10.7 watts / 1.34 amps

Thanks for the advise in your opinion is there a better option than the carto/ tank setup. I have been seeing some of the rebuildable atomizers are they a good option?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on November 08, 2012, 08:55:50 PM
Thanks for the advise in your opinion is there a better option than the carto/ tank setup. I have been seeing some of the rebuildable atomizers are they a good option?

Yes because you can wind the coil to a higher resistance.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kevlarsho11 on November 08, 2012, 09:07:59 PM
which ones would you recommend? any you wouldnt recommend?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on November 09, 2012, 10:24:49 AM
which ones would you recommend? any you wouldnt recommend?

There are so many to choose from. I don't think I'm qualified to recommend the best one. I have 4 or 5 . The best one that I'm using is the Smoktech Vivi converted from a silica wick to a genesis wick. But it's not the best out there. I would do some research first or maybe someone on this forum can suggest one.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: CraigHB on November 09, 2012, 01:37:44 PM
There are a lot of them out there now.  Couldn't say that a year ago.  These guys have a selection of inexpensive ones;

http://www.discountvapers.com/rebuildables/

You'll have a hard time winding a 5 or 6 Ohm coil with any rebuildable.  They typically require a heavier gauge heating wire so you'd end up with a really long coil.  Most don't have all that much room for the coil in them.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on November 09, 2012, 02:12:54 PM
Craig, what if kev uses a thinner gauge winding like maybe 36 or 38ga. I now it's a bit more prone to breaking. He could wind less coils than the a 32 or 28ga because of the higher resistance of the wire.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: CraigHB on November 09, 2012, 05:21:46 PM
I was thinking the same thing actually, but didn't mention it.  The problem with the thin stuff is it's really hard to work with because it's so fragile.  But, it would do the job.  You could probably wind a 5 Ohm coil no problem with 36 AWG.  Also, the thickness of the wire affects how it vapes so it would be interesting to see how it performs.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kevlarsho11 on November 12, 2012, 07:12:13 PM
Thanks all for the suggestions! I think im going to give it a couple weeks before i buy a new atomizer. I just completed building a side by side tube mod with 2x 18650 batteries. Im using a 2ohm carto and getting good enough results. I will be trying out a rebuildable or two just gotta keep the wife happy. I would post pics but i havent figured out how yet.

 :thankyou: :thankyou:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: utak3r on March 05, 2013, 06:22:25 AM
[img width= height=]http://learfx.com/tmp/steampunk.JPG[/img]

 :drooling:
Holy crap! This is just outstanding... I'd love to see a whole "Fallout Mod"  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: dannyboy on March 05, 2013, 08:22:43 AM
 :yes" Lear does some fine work.
Too bad I haven't seen him around anymore
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on March 08, 2013, 09:07:48 AM
Hello, I made this mod for a friend. This was the look he wanted. This mod uses the Ti PTR08100WVD VV chip as well as a P-channel mosfet for the touch switch. It uses 2x 18350 batteries and can use flat top or button type. Voltage ranges from about 3.5 to 6.5. The voltage display will only come on when the second button is pressed along with the touch switch. voltage reading is for output only. I put a mini lava tube along side it for size comparison. The mod is 8.5" tall. The tank on top is called the "Non Practical Tank" It was made by a guy from DFW Vapor in Texas. The tank holds about 30 mils of juice  :)  Yeah I know it's a little extreme but sometimes it's fun to be unique.  :thumbsup:  Thanks again breaktru.


(http://learfx.com/tmp/non3.JPG)

(http://learfx.com/tmp/non2.JPG)

(http://learfx.com/tmp/non1.JPG)

(http://learfx.com/tmp/non0.JPG)

   
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on March 08, 2013, 09:30:14 AM
Hello, I made this mod for a friend. This was the look he wanted. This mod uses the Ti PTR08100WVD VV chip as well as a P-channel mosfet for the touch switch. It uses 2x 18350 batteries and can use flat top or button type. Voltage ranges from about 3.5 to 6.5. The voltage display will only come on when the second button is pressed along with the touch switch. voltage reading is for output only. I put a mini lava tube along side it for size comparison. The mod is 8.5" tall. The tank on top is called the "Non Practical Tank" It was made by a guy from DFW Vapor in Texas. The tank holds about 30 mils of juice  :)  Yeah I know it's a little extreme but sometimes it's fun to be unique.  :thumbsup:  Thanks again breaktru.
   

Wonderful work and a wonderful mod  :rockin smiley:
Welcome back to the forum. It's been awhile since we've seen your great mods
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: utak3r on March 08, 2013, 10:27:44 AM
The tank holds about 30 mils of juice   

I made for myself 10ml tank once, but it wasn't very practical....  :D


(http://learfx.com/tmp/non3.JPG)

and once again: the design is just beautiful  ;hubba;   just like that  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: shanen35 on March 08, 2013, 10:32:20 AM
Hello, I made this mod for a friend.
The tank on top is called the "Non Practical Tank" It was made by a guy from DFW Vapor in Texas. The tank holds about 30 mils of juice  :)  Yeah I know it's a little extreme but sometimes it's fun to be unique.  :thumbsup:  Thanks again breaktru.
 

That is beautiful Lear.  ;hubba;
OMG! The tank is huge. You are right about Non Practical
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kd0afk on March 08, 2013, 10:44:29 AM
The tank looks like a drip oiler.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on March 08, 2013, 01:21:34 PM
The tank is 2" tall by 1 1/2" wide. The top and bottom caps are made of delrin and the tube is poly carbonate.  It actually belongs to the guy I made the mod for. He couldn't find a ce2 that would fit it so he sent it to me to make it work.  :yes"
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on March 08, 2013, 02:23:34 PM
The tank would look good on my mini mod  ???
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on March 08, 2013, 03:53:59 PM
Hey nice mod Learfx don't know about that tank though. check my most recent copper out here:
http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,768.0.html
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kd0afk on March 08, 2013, 04:26:06 PM
It's now been how long? I'm not sure but there is absolutely NO corrosion, oxidation or any visible change in either of the brass disk or the penny. As a matter of fact, the inside of my brass tank is shinier than the outside. I think that the plastic that atomizer tanks are made of would get hot and be more of a hazard than a brass tank.
With that said, I will be making the metal part of my tanks out of stainless steel.
The plan for Prometheus is an aluminum battery tube and top cone, stainless steel tank core, brass bottom and switch. I will have options like gun blued body and top with stainless tank and brass fittings. I have incorporated a magnetic spring, spring loaded battery contact plunger (not just a spring) delrin and silicone insulators and seals. It's gonna be a looker.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: CraigHB on March 08, 2013, 05:24:30 PM
I've had no issue with brass or copper or nickel.  Don't understand why people have a problem with those metals.  The only metal people don't seem to have a problem with is SS, but it's a crappy electrical conductor.  Brass, copper, nickel, and aluminum are all excellent conductors.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on March 09, 2013, 02:23:22 AM
I've had no issue with brass or copper or nickel.  Don't understand why people have a problem with those metals.  The only metal people don't seem to have a problem with is SS, but it's a crappy electrical conductor.  Brass, copper, nickel, and aluminum are all excellent conductors.

I agree 100% Craig. They must think their water pipes are made of SS or something? :laughing2:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: utak3r on March 09, 2013, 02:33:34 PM
As for the battery mod I have to fully agree (but only for battery mods). However, copper ones sometimes can give a bit of a smell to your hand, also a bit of a greenish colour, especially if a hand is sweaty. But yes, it's easily washed and no bigger problems with it. Personally I've also had no problems with aluminium nor copper (however aluminium gets very quickly oxidized, which is not visible to us).

Of course, this doesn't apply to atomizer mods...
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on March 10, 2013, 03:33:00 AM
I use copper mods all the time and my hands never gets any green but maybe everyone has a different ph level or such? :popcorn:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Dznutz on March 10, 2013, 12:36:54 PM
I use copper mods all the time and my hands never gets any green but maybe everyone has a different ph level or such? :popcorn:

Yeah :)

You can always get clear coat in matte finish to protect the copper and your hand if a person wanted 2. 
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kd0afk on March 10, 2013, 12:49:00 PM
Yeah :)

You can always get clear coat in matte finish to protect the copper and your hand if a person wanted 2.
Also, you can chrome brass without the nickel. Way better than clear coat.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on March 10, 2013, 10:16:57 PM
another good way to go is brass musical instrument lac :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: utak3r on March 11, 2013, 04:30:40 PM
Ha, good point  :rockin smiley:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Jahf on May 09, 2013, 06:11:48 PM
another good way to go is brass musical instrument lac :thumbsup:

oooo ... I hadn't even thought about that, and should be able to get tubes in a number of sizes. Are you scavenging or buying new tubes? I'd love to know a source for brass outer and bushing tubes!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: columbusbk on May 11, 2013, 11:22:49 AM
When vaping, does it make sweet music?  :laughing2:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on May 11, 2013, 11:28:59 AM
i think that tube is from a baritone horn re purposed and yes very sweet opus  :yes"
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: DRA on May 11, 2013, 11:37:20 AM
 :laughing2: sweet  :laughing2:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 13, 2013, 11:12:34 AM
Hi, breakthru, I just wanted to thank you for all your information about creating this mod. I've been vaping for about 8 months now and I have the mod bug bad. Your diagram of how to set things up is really great and very understandable. One thing I wanted to ask was, what did you use to put the small dents in the mod? I'm not sure how soft copper is so I figure that's important to me anyway.

Sharing your work is a really great thing. I know that all your members really appreciate it. Thanks for what you do!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on June 13, 2013, 11:33:22 AM
Hi, breakthru, I just wanted to thank you for all your information about creating this mod. I've been vaping for about 8 months now and I have the mod bug bad. Your diagram of how to set things up is really great and very understandable. One thing I wanted to ask was, what did you use to put the small dents in the mod? I'm not sure how soft copper is so I figure that's important to me anyway.

Sharing your work is a really great thing. I know that all your members really appreciate it. Thanks for what you do!

You are very welcome @jumper. My pleasure to share and welcome to the mod bug club  :laughing:

I used a metal punch to make the dimple to hold the retaining ring from pushing up under spring tension.
Before punching the dimple, put something inside the copper tube so it doesn't crush or dent the tubing making it out-of-round. I used a socket from my socket set.

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7tXno8nxkzETPyIv_lll3gCBhbottO6qLB-hT9HJ9Dm_03aZwpg)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 13, 2013, 11:41:56 AM
That's cool about the puncher. I don't have one of those but they shouldn't cost too much. I already got my shipment from Mad Vapes to start on my mod, but will have to wait until the first of the month to get the copper parts. And although I know nothing about it, I've been looking at a tool and die set that's pretty cheap. Would that work on the copper? If so, it would be another way to hold the caps on.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on June 13, 2013, 02:15:57 PM
That's cool about the puncher. I don't have one of those but they shouldn't cost too much. I already got my shipment from Mad Vapes to start on my mod, but will have to wait until the first of the month to get the copper parts. And although I know nothing about it, I've been looking at a tool and die set that's pretty cheap. Would that work on the copper? If so, it would be another way to hold the caps on.
Instead of trying to make your own threads, perhaps you can use these:

(http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/039923/039923301505sm.jpg) or (http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/039923/039923304445sm.jpg) with (http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/145/09/0908e288-2477-4f46-abed-f2f9e538110a_145.jpg) or (http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/145/d0/d09aab2f-fd8e-4379-812c-a3896b181842_145.jpg)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 13, 2013, 02:39:30 PM
Thanks for the help. The last one on the right looks pretty good and would go great with a copper mod. I'm guessing it's brass and that's why I'm saying it. Have to wait until the first of the month to get my copper and brass stuff. I've already have the guts to do the mod (connectors, buttons, etc). If it turns out halfway decent, I will post it so people can see.

Thanks to everyone here on this site who have come before me. There is so much good information here. A lot is over my head when you start talking about chips and things like that, but I'm going to try to work through it and learn as much as I can from everyone. You guys ROCK!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on June 13, 2013, 05:57:04 PM
The mod bug is one tough addiction to overcome.... :laughing:   Copper can be tough to work with if you don't have the right tools.  Just out of curiosity, what parts are you planning to use with your copper mod?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 13, 2013, 06:25:55 PM
The mod bug is one tough addiction to overcome.... :laughing:   Copper can be tough to work with if you don't have the right tools.  Just out of curiosity, what parts are you planning to use with your copper mod?

Hi there... let me first say that I love the copper mods you make. One day you will have to explain to me (like an idiot) how you get the designs on them.

I got some things from Mad Vapes. So far I have...
1. 510 connectors
2. Horn style switches
3. Some leds (but will probably not try to use them on my first go at it)
4. Some brass springs

It's going to be for 1 18650 battery. I still need to get a pipe cutter and one day a cheap tool and die set (which I know nothing about). I'm not sure if I should make a mechanical mod first or try to use the switches I bought. I've never made one so I'm flying in the dark some. I haven't bought any of the copper pieces yet. Still trying to gather information.

I would appreciate any help from someone like you who makes such beautiful mods (just a compliment again). I'm still taking baby steps and also pretty dumb about this :)

edit: My first thought is to make a mod like the one in this thread. Thanks so much to Breakthru for this great mod. Also, what tools do I need for working with copper?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on June 13, 2013, 10:27:02 PM
Hello, and thanks for the complements  :)  I have to say it was breaktru's copper mods that got me started.  His diagram at the beginning of this thread is what I started out with.  I deviated from it a little, but all of my mods use his basic design to this day. If I were you I would probably make a simple copper mod using the diagram breaktru posted in this thread. Once you get the basics down and get a working mod under your belt, you can advance from there.

It's a little difficult to explain  in great detail but I'll do what I can.


First off....... Safety should be your #1 priority. You need to make sure you have a way to protect yourself from injury...  You know the drill..... safety goggles, gloves and anything else that will keep you and your surroundings safe.  Fire kills and a hot piece of copper will scar you for life. Be safe and have patience.   :yes"


Sounds like you have the things you need from mad vapes: 510 connector, horn switch and spring for negative battery contact. (what's the amp rating for the horn switch?)

As far as copper goes, you can use 3/4" copper pipe and two 3/4" copper hard caps.  It's the same type of copper that's used in domestic water piping for homes and buildings. I would go with breaktru's bottom cap design instead of using one of those copper or brass threaded fittings... They look nice in the picture but on a mod they look big and bulky and make the mod heavy. Breaktru's design is nice and clean and makes the mod look sleeker overall .  breaktru uses a small ball bearing to lock the bottom cap on to the mod. I use a small screw through a hole drilled through the cap from the outside and then ground down as not to interfere with the battery.  I can explain better at another time.


I am guessing you have some type of hardware store close to where you live?. 

I used a torch to solder the 510 battery connector  and spring.  you can buy a small propane torch setup for around 20 to 30 dollars.  I've never tried to make a copper mod without using solder.. I guess it could be done but I've never attempted it.

Things you'll also need......

Plumbers sand cloth or any type of sandpaper

Tubing cutters or hack saw

Flux....  ( cleans the copper and helps the solder stick to the copper )

Solder... I use the lead free type that you can get from an electronics store. It's about .022" in diameter.  It works the best for me.

Some type of drill and an assortment of drill bits that will work for the 510 connector and the horn switch. You'll need some smaller bits that are near 1/8 or larger as well.


Soldering iron for the electronic connections. Get something that puts out more than 15 watts.

Copper electrical wire, stranded 18 or 20 gauge wire would work the best.

An electrical tester for testing connections.

A Dremel tool would be handy at some point, but not a necessity.

This is most of what you'll need to make a decent copper mod, but not everything... You should check out youtube  for information on soldering and working with electronics. 


That should be enough to get you started... If anyone notices something I missed please reply. .... Oh yeah... Thanks again Breaktru!  :thumbsup:








Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 13, 2013, 11:22:20 PM
Wow... what a great reply. Can't thank you enough  :thumbsup:

Once I found this website and looked at Breakthru's simple (yet elegant) mod, I pretty much decided on following his design and instructions on how to make it. I agree with you, it's a great place to start for a first timer.

Thanks for bringing up safety. I'm a little nervous about making one because of all the stories I've heard about some of them blowing up and such. Electricity scares me a little so I think I will be patient no matter what.

The switch is 5 amps. Is that too much?

We have Home Depot and Lowes here. Lowes is the better place for copper stuff. I read somewhere that someone said the tube and cap sizes are different between the two stores and that Lowes is closer to what things should really be. I was told it was because of different manufactures. I've already been there several times looking at copper. Haven't bought anything yet. Have to wait until next month before I can buy.

Thanks for the info about the caps. I will look forward to what you have to say about them.

I can't swing a torch right now. If I did, I could afford the rest of the parts I need. What about using something like JB Weld or JB Quick? is there a way I can use that instead of a torch?

I can get a cheap cutter for around $6.00, and the sand cloth is cool. I don't know at the moment what Flux is, but I will look it up on the Lowes website when I get through with this reply.

No problem with the drill and bits. My lady has a soldering iron, but I have no idea what wattage. I think it's for lightweight stuff, but should be able to solder wires and such.

You talked about an electrical tester. I've never had one. Can you give me a ballpark cost on that? And thanks about the copper wire size. I'm not good at knowing what gauge to use for this type of project.

Thanks so much for everything you posted. You've really given me a lot to think about and a lot to look for and check prices. Yes, and thank you Breakthru. Your original design is what I'm going to try and do.

Going to take a break on the deck now and vape and drink my coke :)
thanks a bunch!!

Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on June 13, 2013, 11:53:14 PM
make sure and check everything with a meter before you push the switch! :laughing2: :applaude: ;cheers;
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on June 14, 2013, 07:02:18 AM
Wow Learfx, that was a wonderful post. Very informative info for a beginner. Thanks for posting.

Using a tiny screw for locking the bottom cap is the way to go. Not long after I used the bearing, it fell out and had replaced it with a screw.

The tester Lear was referring to is a Volt/Ohm meter. You can pick up a cheap one for basic testing pretty cheap. Being you mentioned Lowes, heres one for $24.95 DMM (http://www.lowes.com/pd_292768-12704-61-310_0__?productId=3095863&Ntt=multimeter&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNtt%3Dmultimeter&facetInfo=)

5 amp button switch is good. Never use anything under 3 amps. It can never be "too much".

A torch is a must for soldering the 510 connector base into the copper cap. It will complete the negative ground path from the 510 connector through the tube frame and to the battery negative. Never use glue/epoxy. Remove the 510 insulator before torching. Flux helps the solder to stick to where you put it on.

The copper caps, Look for caps that are flat so you can stand the mod. I found that they make a conical type also.
The copper tubing should by type "L". See image.

(http://breaktru.com/temp/tubing_type.png)

Thank you guys for all your compliments and for participating   :beer-toast:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 14, 2013, 01:29:35 PM
make sure and check everything with a meter before you push the switch! :laughing2: :applaude: ;cheers;

Thanks for the info fsors, I will have to get me one. It might save me from having a heart attack, lol. Really appreciate the post.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 14, 2013, 01:52:35 PM
Yes Breakthru, Lear's post was very good and as far as I can tell it contains everything I need to have and need to know for now. I like the idea about putting a tiny screw in for the cap. It sounds more permanent and stable.

Unfortunately, I only have $50.00 to spend a month on this. I was hoping that I could start making my mod after the first of the month. The volt meter alone will take half my money. Don't mean for this to be a sob story. Just telling you the truth. A meter and a torch would wipe me out for my monthly spending. Bummer.

Glad the 5 amp button is ok, and it's good to know that it can't be "too much".

What's the cheapest route I can go (not counting the copper) and still do what I need to do. I would appreciate any help with that. I would like to swing it so I could start making my first mod this next month. Having to wait 2 or 3 months would be agony.

Thanks about the info about copper caps too. I've already looked at them at Lowes. I don't know if they were "L" type or not, but I would think so. It's in the plumbing section.

Thanks for the help, Breakthru!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on June 14, 2013, 02:23:58 PM
Simple Single Cell Copper Mod

Parts:
18650 - use a good quality one
Spring - copper is best
20 gauge wire - stranded $4.39 (http://www.amazon.com/20AWG-Stranded-300V-Hook-Wire/dp/B004NWO7GE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1371235723&sr=8-2&keywords=20+awg+stranded+wire)
two caps - $1.19 ea (http://www.lowes.com/pd_21664-137-617_0__?productId=3680874&Ntt=3%2F4+copper+caps&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNtt%3D3%252F4%2Bcopper%2Bcaps&facetInfo=)
6" of copper tube. Cut to length needed (4.5" - 5"). Use excess to make retaining ring. 12" "L" type $11.11 (http://www.lowes.com/pd_24711-76063-6309712619802_0__?productId=3318304&Ntt=3%2F4+copper+tubing&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNtt%3D3%252F4%2Bcopper%2Btubing&facetInfo=)
510 connector
N/O button switch
Piece of hard plastic (insulator) to hold positive pin of battery
Medium brass/copper bolt or screw to contact batt pos.

Tools:
Drill and bits
hacksaw or pipe cutter - $16.47 (http://www.homedepot.com/p/BrassCraft-Tube-Cutter-T004/100019634#.Ubthrpzhdgg)
Punch or Heavy duty nail
Soldering gun or iron / solder
Torch - $12.97 (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Bernzomatic-UL100-Basic-Propane-Torch-Kit-334458/203665003#.UbthOJzhdgg)
Optional: Meter in case you need to trouble shoot. Cheap DMM: $5.29 (http://www.harborfreight.com/7-function-multimeter-98025.html)

Note: Soldering with an iron will not not work well on a large metal object like the copper cap or brass/copper bolt. It will absorb the heat from the iron and cause a cold solder (poor) connection.

How about holding the cap w/ the 510 connector in place over and open flame on your stove?  :)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 14, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
Thanks for all the help Breakthru.

650 I've got
Have a copper spring
Need to get the 20 gauge wire.
Need to get all the copper stuff
Got 510 connectors (gold)
Do you mean NO push button?
Don't have the plastic but might have some screws

Drill and bits I have
Will have to get a pipe cutter
Punch I have
Soldering gun I have
Torch, don't have
Meter, nope, don't have that either

Thanks for the info about what the solder WON'T work on (I'm learning thanks to you guys)

--- have an electric stove, lol

Thanks for all the links and prices. I know you put some work into that and I appreciate it :) If I get everything you gave me a link to, it would be right at my budget. The tax would take me over that, but I think I can talk my lady into letting me do it.

Great, great information and links. Thank you so much. I think I just might be able to start on my mod on the 1st of next month (yea).
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on June 14, 2013, 04:13:40 PM

Do you mean NO push button?

--- have an electric stove, lol


N/O is Normally Opened. We use Momentary On Switches. It closes (makes contact) only when the button is held. If you purchased the horn button from MV then it's okay to use.

You can always light a bon-fire in the back yard  :laughing:
Don't know if a Sterno would be hot enough... perhaps
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 14, 2013, 04:21:36 PM
Ok... Normally Open (have to write that down <g>) Glad I got the horn switches from MV then...

Have to get a burn permit for the fire and I don't think the Sterno would work :) I would probably blow myself up!  raged:

 
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 15, 2013, 03:30:47 PM
Me again... I have a friend who has a small butane torch. Will that work?

Hope so... It's the only thing I've got for a torch :)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on June 15, 2013, 08:49:22 PM


What's the cheapest route I can go (not counting the copper) and still do what I need to do. I would appreciate any help with that. I would like to swing it so I could start making my first mod this next month. Having to wait 2 or 3 months would be agony.

If you'd really like to just "make a mod" there are other options....  http://www.madvapes.com/advanced-pv-s/box-mods.html   You can  spend about 10 to 20 dollars on a mod kit and save some money.  you'll gain experience at mod building and have your very first hand made mod built by you.  :)

Quote
Thanks about the info about copper caps too. I've already looked at them at Lowes. I don't know if they were "L" type or not, but I would think so. It's in the plumbing section.


You don't need to worry about the fittings being L or M type........ You can make  a copper mod out of  L or M-type copper as well.  Just think of it as L copper being a little more heavy duty than M copper...  Both types will work.  If there's an issue with the battery wobbling around inside the copper, you can roll up a thin piece of sheet plastic and cut it to make a snug fit for the battery.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on June 15, 2013, 08:56:04 PM
Me again... I have a friend who has a small butane torch. Will that work?

Hope so... It's the only thing I've got for a torch :)


I've never used a small torch like that but I'd think you'd be able to make that work.  You just need to remember to pull the small silicone grommet out of the 510 connector before you put the heat to it, as breaktru mentioned in an earlier post... They are a little challenging to get back in without tearing them so be careful......  A ripped silicon grommet can short out your battery and make things rather unpleasant  :wallbash:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 15, 2013, 10:04:24 PM
If you'd really like to just "make a mod" there are other options....  http://www.madvapes.com/advanced-pv-s/box-mods.html   You can  spend about 10 to 20 dollars on a mod kit and save some money.  you'll gain experience at mod building and have your very first hand made mod built by you.  :)


You don't need to worry about the fittings being L or M type........ You can make  a copper mod out of  L or M-type copper as well.  Just think of it as L copper being a little more heavy duty than M copper...  Both types will work.  If there's an issue with the battery wobbling around inside the copper, you can roll up a thin piece of sheet plastic and cut it to make a snug fit for the battery.

Hi Lear. I haven't got the mod bug enough to where I want to buy something premade. And certainly no offense to anyone here, I'm just not found of box mods. I've seen some great ones on here, but for me I like the tube.

Thanks about the copper type too. I wouldn't know an L from an M unless it says so on the sticky label of the bin, lol. Thanks so much for your help.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 15, 2013, 10:11:30 PM

I've never used a small torch like that but I'd think you'd be able to make that work.  You just need to remember to pull the small silicone grommet out of the 510 connector before you put the heat to it, as breaktru mentioned in an earlier post... They are a little challenging to get back in without tearing them so be careful......  A ripped silicon grommet can short out your battery and make things rather unpleasant  :wallbash:

Thanks about the torch. I think it would work too. I got my connectors from mv (gold) and I'm having a hard time seeing the silicone grommet. On the bottom side of the connector there is a "tiny" round piece around the center pole. Is that what you're talking about? And if that's it, how in the heck do you get it out??
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on June 15, 2013, 10:37:27 PM
Thanks about the torch. I think it would work too. I got my connectors from mv (gold) and I'm having a hard time seeing the silicone grommet. On the bottom side of the connector there is a "tiny" round piece around the center pole. Is that what you're talking about? And if that's it, how in the heck do you get it out??
  http://www.madvapes.com/help-desk/knowledgebase.php?article=21 (http://www.madvapes.com/help-desk/knowledgebase.php?article=21)  you can use something small enough to fit in the back end of the connector and push the center pin out gently.  Then you can carefully pull out the rubber insulator with out tearing it.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on June 15, 2013, 10:48:29 PM
Hi Lear. I haven't got the mod bug enough to where I want to buy something premade. And certainly no offense to anyone here, I'm just not found of box mods. I've seen some great ones on here, but for me I like the tube.

I understand, The box mod kits come un-assembled and can be a little challenging to put together.  The kits on that site are great for the first time mod builders who don't want to spend a lot of money and would like to get the experience of building a mod. To be honest, my first mod was an old flashlight and then a cell phone and then copper...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 15, 2013, 11:15:04 PM
I understand, The box mod kits come un-assembled and can be a little challenging to put together.  The kits on that site are great for the first time mod builders who don't want to spend a lot of money and would like to get the experience of building a mod. To be honest, my first mod was an old flashlight and then a cell phone and then copper...  :thumbsup:

Cool about your first mods. I was going to try the flashlight one, but didn't do it. A cell phone has got to be weird unless it's an old one. The ones today (at least some) are pretty thin. I would think that would be hard to work with?? I got almost all of my hardware from mv... connects, springs, etc. The seems like the best place for DIY people.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 15, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
  http://www.madvapes.com/help-desk/knowledgebase.php?article=21 (http://www.madvapes.com/help-desk/knowledgebase.php?article=21)  you can use something small enough to fit in the back end of the connector and push the center pin out gently.  Then you can carefully pull out the rubber insulator with out tearing it.

AGGG! Push the center pin out!! I'm guessing it will go back in, lol. I have some small syringes that I can probably use to push the pin out. So... take the grommet out then seal the connector, then put the grommet back in, then the pin. Is that right? Does the grommet hold the pin?

thanks.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: CraigHB on June 16, 2013, 08:21:24 PM
And certainly no offense to anyone here, I'm just not found of box mods. I've seen some great ones on here, but for me I like the tube.

I can understand that, they're not for everyone.  It's all I use though.  Once you get past the idea an e-cig has to be round, it's not a big deal really. 
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 16, 2013, 09:20:39 PM
I can understand that, they're not for everyone.  It's all I use though.  Once you get past the idea an e-cig has to be round, it's not a big deal really.

That's cool that you always use a box mod. I've seen some that are absolutely awesome. Also when a "tube" gets as large as the Vamo, I don't even compare it with a cigarette or e-cig I don't even hold it the same. I guess what worries me about a box mod is that it would tend to be uncomfortable to hold. But I guess you get used to what you use.

I will have to look and see if I can find some of your mods on the site.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: CraigHB on June 17, 2013, 04:56:39 PM
I use the term e-cig in the most generic sense.  Most people probably differentiate between them.  I even call my boxes "my e-cig".
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 18, 2013, 09:35:44 AM
I use the term e-cig in the most generic sense.  Most people probably differentiate between them.  I even call my boxes "my e-cig".

I love it that you call you box an e-cig because... well, it is one. I almost made a box mod as my first one. I liked it because everything was easy to get to. But my desire for a tube won out so here I am waiting to do that.

Breakthru, sorry if I'm getting the thread off topic. It's supposed to be for the 3.7 mod. So I will shut up now :)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on June 18, 2013, 12:14:03 PM
I love it that you call you box an e-cig because... well, it is one. I almost made a box mod as my first one. I liked it because everything was easy to get to. But my desire for a tube won out so here I am waiting to do that.

Breakthru, sorry if I'm getting the thread off topic. It's supposed to be for the 3.7 mod. So I will shut up now :)

No problem @jumper.

When I was new to modding I couldn't imagine why people made box mods. Thought they were ugly and I only made tube mods.
But now that I am a seasoned mod builder, I exclusively build and use box mods. I have 7 styles of box mods right here in front of me and switch off from time to time. I have different circuitry and combinations in them. Still have my coppers.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 18, 2013, 01:27:37 PM
Thanks for letting me know I'm not crazy :) I've never actually tried one, but if I did, I would probably like it. I had one of those Altoids tins and was going to try and make it a mod, but didn't. And that's cool that you only make box mods now. I know you know enough about making mods that I bet you make some good ones.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Phesrr on June 22, 2013, 08:16:42 PM
Got all the stuff for a copper mod...and a 5v box mod.  Just waiting in one thing...connectors! I'm so happy I found this forum, you guys have given me confidence.

NO LONGER ONE OF THE 87%!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on June 22, 2013, 08:34:43 PM
Got all the stuff for a copper mod...and a 5v box mod.  Just waiting in one thing...connectors! I'm so happy I found this forum, you guys have given me confidence.

NO LONGER ONE OF THE 87%!

Great news on your parts and thanks for posting. Keep us updated
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 22, 2013, 09:23:37 PM
Got all the stuff for a copper mod...and a 5v box mod.  Just waiting in one thing...connectors! I'm so happy I found this forum, you guys have given me confidence.

NO LONGER ONE OF THE 87%!

Hi Phesrr, Welcome. I'm just now getting my feet wet myself when it comes to mods. I was going to do some stuff today, but ended up having to do "Honey Dews". This is a great bunch of people here so you're in good hands. Plus, it's a cool place to hang out :)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: breakstuff on June 23, 2013, 07:34:02 AM
Got all the stuff for a copper mod...and a 5v box mod.  Just waiting in one thing...connectors! I'm so happy I found this forum, you guys have given me confidence.

NO LONGER ONE OF THE 87%!

Welcome to the forum Phesrr  :wave:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 24, 2013, 07:32:10 PM
Major announcement... My dremel tool arrived this afternoon (it's actually made by WEN). It's fairly big. I thought it would be smaller. It came with 100 attachments, but they all fit in a small box. If you haven't noticed yet, I've never had a dremel tool in my life :) Need to find some more documentation on the company site.

So now I'm looking through stuff and just trying to check out what I have... but this is definitely a step in the right direction  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: dennis15 on June 24, 2013, 08:03:41 PM
Major announcement... My dremel tool arrived this afternoon (it's actually made by WEN). It's fairly big. I thought it would be smaller. It came with 100 attachments, but they all fit in a small box. If you haven't noticed yet, I've never had a dremel tool in my life :) Need to find some more documentation on the company site.

So now I'm looking through stuff and just trying to check out what I have... but this is definitely a step in the right direction  :thumbsup:

 :thumbsup: Yeah!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Phesrr on June 24, 2013, 08:24:09 PM
Nice! A couple cautions on the rotary tool (dremel)...all learned the hard way.
1. Take the wrench that came with it, and if it has a hole in it, tie it to the tool in such a way that it can be used without untying it. It's used to change the bits like a drill chuck, and you will lose it.
2. Always use eye protection. Small particals (hot copper) will fly off at a terrible speed and seek your eyeball like a homing missile.
3. Wear gloves. Copper conducts heat like it conducts electricity, and both grinding and cutting will heat your work up quite a bit.
4. A rotary tool works by speed, not torque (power). So try to keep yourself from applying too much pressure to the bit. It can burn out your motor, not to mention that broken bits make dangerous projectiles.
I use mine all the time, and it's an awesome tool. Just respect it, and it'll be your best friend for small projects.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 24, 2013, 08:32:24 PM
Hey, thanks a lot for the beginners guide to safety. I just started playing with it and wasn't doing a thing that you said. Everything you said makes sense and something that I should be doing.

Really appreciate it!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 25, 2013, 08:12:55 PM
Got a little farther today so I thought I would post some pictures (they're not that great but you get the idea). I managed to get the connector flush with the top cap. I also got the the locking cap part too. Since I'm new to the dremel, it's not that pretty underneath, but no one will see that anyway :)
Here's the pics.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on June 25, 2013, 08:24:45 PM
Nice work  :rockin smiley: See, not that hard after all.
Looks like you just need to install the PB, wire it up and pop in the battery  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on June 25, 2013, 10:14:55 PM
Your base is more bulbous than the head :laughing2: but great 1st build bro!  :applaude: ;cheers;
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on June 25, 2013, 10:33:52 PM
Thanks guys. I appreciate the great support. I want to work on it some more tonight, but it's getting late and I might wait until tomorrow. And you're right Breakthru, couple of more solder parts, a switch and I'm done. I know you said that it wasn't hard after all, but you don't know the state of my nerves, lol. Doing all the stuff I did today almost gave me a heart attack. I think the dremel was my first real tool I've ever had (hot counting a hammer and screwdriver). Can't wait to get it to work. I'm going to have to search through my tanks and stuff to come up with some low ohm heads for the 3.7 volt mod.

thanks again guys!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Phesrr on July 02, 2013, 08:23:34 PM
Okay, I'm going nuts trying to figure out something basic.  How do you guys center the hole for the 510 connector.  I've already gone through 3 endcaps trying to get the damn thing centtered.  Also, are you using a torch to solder the spring and battery connector to the copper?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on July 02, 2013, 08:43:18 PM
Okay, I'm going nuts trying to figure out something basic.  How do you guys center the hole for the 510 connector.  I've already gone through 3 endcaps trying to get the damn thing centtered.  Also, are you using a torch to solder the spring and battery connector to the copper?

What I do is use a Square (tool) and measure for center. I mark a line across the cap. Turn it 45 degrees, measure center and mark across again. Now you have an "X". Tap a punch mark in the center of the "X" to prevent the drill bit from walking. Start w/ a pilot hole.

(http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/bf/bfdebe56-63ed-42c1-9014-bbe29ac0af8f_300.jpg)

My spring is not soldered. It is loose in the cap. Buff the inside of the cap and both sides of the spring with a scotch pad or steel wool. It will make a good connection to ground.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Phestr on July 02, 2013, 09:14:57 PM
Thanx so much.  Do you use a hand drill?  Also, I am thinking about using a touch switch as described in http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/133774-how-can-you-even-use-smallest-switch.html .  One of the people who replied said for a flashlight mod (which this is very similar to) to reverse the battery.  Is that true, and if so, would it change the wiring diagram?  Oh, by the way, I'm Phesrr, I messed up my log in name and just now got around to fixing it.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on July 02, 2013, 10:34:16 PM
since the caps are not true you may need to rethink just using a square no offense just experience talkin
 ;cheers;
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kd0afk on July 02, 2013, 11:15:37 PM
Invest in a good center drill bit and a center punch as well as a center finding jig. I think this is what Breaktru meant
(http://www.mcfeelys.com/img/starrett-center-finding-MS-2786.jpg)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on July 03, 2013, 01:06:09 AM
Invest in a good center drill bit and a center punch as well as a center finding jig. I think this is what Breaktru meant
(http://www.mcfeelys.com/img/starrett-center-finding-MS-2786.jpg)

yes that is what you need  :beer-toast: :rockin smiley: 8)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on July 03, 2013, 06:10:19 AM
The standard square works perfectly as described above. Although the center square would be easier to use.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on July 03, 2013, 06:59:44 AM
If you want a quick simple way to find the center of a copper cap, you can place the cap open side down on a piece of paper and draw the outline of it with a pencil....  Then cut the trace out and fold it twice,  it should look like a slice of pie after folded. Then just cut the very end of it off, put it on the end of the cap and mark it with a sharpie...... No matter how close to the center you get, the drill will want to drift to one side or the other if you use a large bit... You will have to use a small bit to start out with.  I use 3 or 4 different size bits when I drill the cap.  :yes" Each bit a little larger than the first one. Sometimes I have to use a dremel to finish the final hole size because the bit always wants to drift .  :wallbash: I recently purchased a small drill press, I just have to set it up.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on July 03, 2013, 07:20:43 AM
Maybe my wording was misunderstood so here is a video I just popped out quickly:

http://youtu.be/WlNxAcZU-a8 (http://youtu.be/WlNxAcZU-a8)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Phestr on July 03, 2013, 07:27:24 AM
Thanx everyone. I kinda had the idea, but I'm a visual learner, so the vid was awesome. Hopefully, my MOSFET comes in this week. I'm building the touch circuit, any tips on that?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on July 03, 2013, 07:40:22 AM
Thanx so much.  Do you use a hand drill?  Also, I am thinking about using a touch switch as described in http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/133774-how-can-you-even-use-smallest-switch.html .  One of the people who replied said for a flashlight mod (which this is very similar to) to reverse the battery.  Is that true, and if so, would it change the wiring diagram?  Oh, by the way, I'm Phesrr, I messed up my log in name and just now got around to fixing it.

I use a hand electric drill and sometimes put it in a drill press adapter. I start with a pilot hole and work up using several size bits until I have the right size.

If you put the battery positive up you need to use a P-Channel mosfet. If you reverse the battery with the neg side up you need to use an N-Channel Mosfet.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on July 03, 2013, 07:43:18 AM
Thanx everyone. I kinda had the idea, but I'm a visual learner, so the vid was awesome. Hopefully, my MOSFET comes in this week. I'm building the touch circuit, any tips on that?

I have a P-Ch and N-Ch diagram at: Touch Circuits (http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,215.msg1550.html#msg1550)
Instead of having it feed the regulator as shown, use it to power the 510 atty connector.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods
Post by: jumper on July 03, 2013, 09:14:03 AM
I just finished my Copper PV Mod using your above information and I am so proud of myself for building this great PV. It only cost me a few bucks for parts and materials.

Congratulations on finishing your mod! It's a great feeling when things work out and you have a new mod for next to nothing. Hope you make many more. I haven't looked at the rest of the new posts, but if you haven't posted any pictures, I would love to see it.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on July 03, 2013, 09:17:45 AM
Thanks everyone for the tip on finding the center of the cap. I've just be eyeballing it.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Phestr on July 03, 2013, 02:17:24 PM
Okay, I want to make sure my reasoning is sound. I have a 3103 mosfet coming, which I believe is N-Channel. If I run v-out to the center post, and v-in to the negative on the battery, the thing will still fire, since the Atty doesn't care which direction the current flows, right? Or should I just get a p-chan mosfet?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on July 03, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
Okay, I want to make sure my reasoning is sound. I have a 3103 mosfet coming, which I believe is N-Channel. If I run v-out to the center post, and v-in to the negative on the battery, the thing will still fire, since the Atty doesn't care which direction the current flows, right? Or should I just get a p-chan mosfet?

The IRL3103 is an N-Channel mosfet. The "S" or Source would go to the Neg of the battery and the "D" or Drain would go to the 510 center Pin. The outside of the 510 and the tube would be the Positive polarity being that the battery was reversed.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Phestr on July 05, 2013, 03:10:42 PM
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w527/KnottyPhestr/2013-07-05134525_zps6b8a37d7.jpg)

So, I finished my first copper mod.  Here's a pic of it between my first mod (a flashlight), and my MadVapes type 5v mod.  I used a cut off nail to actuate a lever switch inside the middle section, but it was mostly based on Breaktru's design.  THanx for all the help, guys!  Now I just have to wait for my mosfets to build the touch switch version.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on July 05, 2013, 03:34:57 PM
Great work Phestr! Those are some really nice looking mods. Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on July 05, 2013, 04:28:53 PM
So, I finished my first copper mod.  Here's a pic of it between my first mod (a flashlight), and my MadVapes type 5v mod.  I used a cut off nail to actuate a lever switch inside the middle section, but it was mostly based on Breaktru's design.  THanx for all the help, guys!  Now I just have to wait for my mosfets to build the touch switch version.

Well done. Clever switch design and I like the placement of the coupler too.  :rockin smiley:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Phestr on July 07, 2013, 05:15:35 AM
The coupler ended up being necessary after I destroyed 2 lever switches trying to shave the corners enough to make them fit. But it also allowed me to use a nylon washer with a brass machine screw and nut as the positive, instead of the wheel, which took up half the space, and it had the stop built in. I'll probably use this technique on future mods, it's not as clean but gives more space to work in the tube, and almost has a lightsaber feel. What can I say. Im a nerd at heart.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: steamEngine on July 08, 2013, 09:52:21 AM

I used a cut off nail to actuate a lever switch inside the middle section

Very nice Phestr. What does the lever switch look like and how does the cut nail hold in without falling out?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Phestr on July 08, 2013, 01:37:49 PM
The idea for the stitch came from this thread: http://www.vapeatron.com/switch-copper-pipe-mod-6513/ (http://www.vapeatron.com/switch-copper-pipe-mod-6513/). I epoxied the nail head to the switch, but tension might hold it in.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on August 06, 2013, 04:30:52 PM
Have a question to ask. As most of you know, my favorite mini just died. Well, I wanted to use the tube again but really can't because of the dimple used with the punch to keep the ring from moving. So I started to think of other ways to keep the ring from moving. My first thought was to use a small brass screw and countersink it so it would be flat with the outside tube. I'm thinking, that way I could take it apart if needed and if nothing else, save the tube for reuse.

So the question is: Does anyone have a better idea than using a couple of brass screws?

thanks.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kd0afk on August 06, 2013, 05:20:41 PM
Why not try solder?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on August 06, 2013, 06:26:08 PM
Have a question to ask. As most of you know, my favorite mini just died. Well, I wanted to use the tube again but really can't because of the dimple used with the punch to keep the ring from moving. So I started to think of other ways to keep the ring from moving. My first thought was to use a small brass screw and countersink it so it would be flat with the outside tube. I'm thinking, that way I could take it apart if needed and if nothing else, save the tube for reuse.

So the question is: Does anyone have a better idea than using a couple of brass screws?

thanks.

Why not re-wire the mod and use it as is?

The punch dimple was meant to prevent the ring from sliding up. The dimples should be above the ring so you can remove it by tapping it out from top of tube thru to the bottom.

The counter sunk holes for small flat head machine screws sound good. If you go that route, you won't need the ring. Drill into the plastic of the door-wheel instead of the ring and use a small tap on the plastic.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on August 06, 2013, 06:57:06 PM
Why not try solder?

Thanks kd0afk, But I really don't know what you're talking about. Are you talking about soldering the top of the ring after the wire have been put through it?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on August 06, 2013, 07:08:00 PM
Why not re-wire the mod and use it as is?

The punch dimple was meant to prevent the ring from sliding up. The dimples should be above the ring so you can remove it by tapping it out from top of tube thru to the bottom.

The counter sunk holes for small flat head machine screws sound good. If you go that route, you won't need the ring. Drill into the plastic of the door-wheel instead of the ring and use a small tap on the plastic.

Hi Breaktru, About rewiring the mod, I think I know a way that I can do that. If I just solder the wheel and run the wire up through the ring, that would work I think.

Also, I know that the dimple was supposed to be above the ring, but I was worried about getting it the right place. I tried it once but got it too high. But you have made me think of something. I WAS cutting the length of the copper tube first. But if I don't cut the end of the tube until I've put the dimple in, that should work (I get dumb sometimes). Thanks for making me think of that.

I think that getting rid of the ring and just going with the wheel would be a good idea. That would allow me to keep my mini mods small without worrying. Think I like that idea the best. I've actually been wondering for a while about getting rid of the ring. As long as the wheel is not allowed to move up, I could get by without having to have a ring (which is a PITA). Thanks a bunch for that idea.

Really appreciate the help guys.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: kd0afk on August 07, 2013, 01:26:57 PM
Thanks kd0afk, But I really don't know what you're talking about. Are you talking about soldering the top of the ring after the wire have been put through it?
Maybe I didn't under your situation. A photo of the thing might help.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on August 07, 2013, 01:35:05 PM
Maybe I didn't under your situation. A photo of the thing might help.

Hi kd0afk, Here's a photo that Breaktru posted at the beginning of this thread. I'm using the same design that Breaktru created. It's a good design, but I may see if I can get rid of the ring and just have the wheel. Since I haven't tried it yet, I don't know if that will work ok or not, but going to give it a whirl :)

Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on August 07, 2013, 05:40:41 PM
I've just come up with a thought. I use a rather large ring for the mod. It's a little more than 1/2 inch. I also have a problem where the wheel gets sideways and doesn't make good contact sometimes. Next time, I'm going to use 2 small rings. One above the wheel and one below. This will fix the issue of the wheel getting sideways.

Don't know if this is one of those "dummy" things for me, but I believe it will work good.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on August 07, 2013, 06:34:42 PM
I've just come up with a thought. I use a rather large ring for the mod. It's a little more than 1/2 inch. I also have a problem where the wheel gets sideways and doesn't make good contact sometimes. Next time, I'm going to use 2 small rings. One above the wheel and one below. This will fix the issue of the wheel getting sideways.

Don't know if this is one of those "dummy" things for me, but I believe it will work good.

The punch marks are located on opposite sides of the tube (180 degrees) so it should not move if the ring is cut to fit correctly.
1/2" wide is way to big. I got the ring width down to 3/16". The first one was 1/4" wide.

Putting a ring below the wheel will probably hit the battery.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on August 07, 2013, 06:51:14 PM
The punch marks are located on opposite sides of the tube (180 degrees) so it should not move if the ring is cut to fit correctly.
1/2" wide is way to big. I got the ring width down to 3/16". The first one was 1/4" wide.

Putting a ring below the wheel will probably hit the battery.

Thanks for the info. I didn't know that the rings you use were so small. I'll try that next time. Have you ever had any issues with the wheel getting cocked to one side? I'm always having to fiddle with mine to make sure it's flush.

edit: I don't make my wire short from the button lead to the wheel. I've been too worried about pulling the solder joint off.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on August 07, 2013, 07:50:42 PM
Thanks for the info. I didn't know that the rings you use were so small. I'll try that next time. Have you ever had any issues with the wheel getting cocked to one side? I'm always having to fiddle with mine to make sure it's flush.

edit: I don't make my wire short from the button lead to the wheel. I've been too worried about pulling the solder joint off.

Never had a problem with the wheel being cocked. The tension of the spring pushing up on the battery should keep it leveled.
I only used the wheel in my first copper. Since then I fabricated a plastic insulator sandwiched between two metal washers with a nut and bolt holding it together. The head of the bolt filed down thin and the other end soldered the pos wire. The metal washers needs to be a smaller diameter then the insulated washers so not to touch the sides of the tube.
I advised you to use the wheel because it is the easiest method.
Pulling on the soldered wire should not break off. If it is that delicate then it can be a source of a poor contact connection and needs to be soldered better.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Phestr on August 07, 2013, 07:58:50 PM
Here's what I did in my mod, and the reason for the coupler.  I forewent the wheel and used a vinyl washer with 8-32 machine screws, washers, and nuts.

(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w527/KnottyPhestr/E-Cigs/20130807_173637_zps00ea6c31.jpg)

It's a little bit thinner than the wheel, so saves a bit of length.

(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w527/KnottyPhestr/E-Cigs/20130807_173728_zpsfa0c095b.jpg)

It's roughly the outside diameter of the 3/4 inch copper pipe, so it fits pretty well inside of the coupler (trimming may be required, but not much).  And you can use the copper pipe to jam it in.

(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w527/KnottyPhestr/E-Cigs/01f7f6d1-add8-4ab3-8a3e-cb9ac7218591_zps42faf427.jpg)

It would work with the dimples, but you would have to find the right washer or cut it down quite a bit more to fit in the 3/4 " pipe
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on August 07, 2013, 08:13:17 PM
Good phestr, I used the same method w/ my side x side mod. I also filed down the screw head and nut to make it even thinner in height.
I use two. One for Pos and one for Neg.

(http://breaktru.com/temp/side-x-side-slide1.jpg)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on August 07, 2013, 09:18:24 PM
That's a pretty slick looking setup Phestr. Like your stuff as well Breaktru. It kind of gets my mind to work a little (such that it is)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Phestr on August 07, 2013, 09:36:23 PM
Good phestr, I used the same method w/ my side x side mod. I also filed down the screw head and nut to make it even thinner in height.
I use two. One for Pos and one for Neg.

(http://breaktru.com/temp/side-x-side-slide1.jpg)

Yep, filed the screw head flat and the nut on the other side too. I'm still using a spring on the negative.   I'm building another for my friend, as soon as it's put together (I'm taking pics as I go), I'll post step by step, including my improved button.

Speaking of the side x side...any chance of a board schematic and wiring guide?  I think I have it figured, but if you have the time...
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on August 08, 2013, 09:14:40 AM
Yep, filed the screw head flat and the nut on the other side too. I'm still using a spring on the negative.   I'm building another for my friend, as soon as it's put together (I'm taking pics as I go), I'll post step by step, including my improved button.

Speaking of the side x side...any chance of a board schematic and wiring guide?  I think I have it figured, but if you have the time...

Jump over to the Side x Side topic and also look at the Variable Voltage Evercool Copper Mod topic.
The PTR08100w was used. 2 series batteries in a side by side configuration. I don't have a tutorial on how to wire it. Just a schematic.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on August 10, 2013, 11:48:15 AM
I wanted to make a mod like Phestr posted, but things didn't work out well. I just got back from Lowes and they didn't have the 5' pipe, so I had to get 24 in. again. They also didn't have couplers /w stops, so it didn't make much sense to try and find the other parts. The main thing I did get was some heat shrink tubing. I think that's going to help me out a lot when it comes to shorts, like my first mini.

Thanks for all the help Phestr and Breaktru. I'll get this style eventually but will probably have to order some parts from the net.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: JosefMistal on October 03, 2013, 02:20:46 PM
Question for you guys,
I am very new to the electric world, i have basically done exactly the same as breakthru's OP, I am trying to figure out if my switch will be sufficent or not, Running 1-18650 battery thru it like yours  this is the switch i am going to use - http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062508  will this be ok? I also was thinking about - http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062545&locale=en_US  - either one should be fine correct?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on October 03, 2013, 02:29:30 PM
Question for you guys,
I am very new to the electric world, i have basically done exactly the same as breakthru's OP, I am trying to figure out if my switch will be sufficent or not, Running 1-18650 battery thru it like yours  this is the switch i am going to use - http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062508  will this be ok? I also was thinking about - http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062545&locale=en_US  - either one should be fine correct?

I've been to Radio Shack looking for push buttons and found that almost all of them are way too big. It is 3amp though. Don't get anything lower than 3amps. Here's a link to the ones Breaktru suggested. I've been using these and they are really good. MadVapes sells the same thing but they cost 2 dollars more. Here's a link to the switch. http://components.arrow.com/part/detail/46251881S9357146N9444?region=na
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Cavediver on October 21, 2013, 03:49:50 PM
Thanks to y'all for some great ideas in this thread :)

I "completed" my first copper mod about a month ago, using 3/4 pipe, 3/4 connectors, 3/4 pipe plugs (the flat inserts at each end), and half of a 3/8 copper connector.  I used a drill press, a 3/4 sanding drum, and an X-Y sliding drill press vise to create the saddle shape in the 3/8 connector, and then used a torch to solder it in place.  The switch is from radio shack, and is a snug press-fit in the tube.  The 510 connector is press-fit in the top cap.  The body tube was pressed into a slight oval in a vise, creating a tight fit inside the connectors at top and bottom (no mechanical fasteners are used to hold this together).  A Vapesafe2 fuse resides in the bottom between the negative battery end and the copper end plug. 

I'm experimenting with some weathering / aging / patina techniques on some other copper pieces.  The bottom connector and center tube were given a bit of visual texture by heating with a torch and then splashing with water, though it appears to be wearing off as I handle it.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on October 21, 2013, 03:59:27 PM
Nice mod Cavediver! Love the end caps. I wanted to use those too, but could only find 1 at the hardware store. I also like using the couplers. They add a nice bit of weight... just right.

Thanks for sharing :)

Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Cavediver on October 21, 2013, 04:11:05 PM
Nice mod Cavediver! Love the end caps. I wanted to use those too, but could only find 1 at the hardware store. I also like using the couplers. They add a nice bit of weight... just right.

Thanks for sharing :)

Thanks :)
They were on close-out at Home Depot.  I hit four different stores to find enough for a couple of mods.
I've found that by digging in the bins surrounding the item I'm looking for, I can usually come up with one or two more (usually out of the package).  After I found one that was still in the package, I was able to buy several more that were loose / out of package.  The really beautiful part: the last store I hit had four of them in stock.  They'd already been closed out, making the final purchase price $.01   :rockin smiley:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on October 21, 2013, 07:08:29 PM
Nice work Cavediver and thanks for sharing it with us.
I know what you mean about bin diving. Been there too. I sometimes find things in the wrong bin so I look in every bin. Lots of time spent but it's worth it.
Nice touch with the flat inserts and nice job with 3/8" shaping  :rockin smiley:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on October 21, 2013, 07:12:19 PM
Yep... I'm a bin diver too. Where I live, they don't carry end caps that are flat anymore. I think they're going to make nothing but the rounded end caps from now on. You can still find them on eBay though for a good price. I bought a lot of 25. Might make another order just to have them around.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Jahf on November 01, 2013, 08:20:21 PM
Hey folks,

I've got a couple of mods I want to ... mod ... (epipes that I want to build extension tubes for larger batteries). I'm also looking into making some from-scratch mods around the ideas in this thread.

Unfortunately I live fairly distant from shops and driving (due to a serious problematic back) to go shopping multiple stores is just not working out for me.

What is the best place to find decent quality brass and copper tubing/caps/etc? I obviously am looking for food safe. I don't mind buying long tubes and cutting down. I just want a site that folks have found to be reliable that will ship what I order. I've had a couple of plays at ordering tubing online and wasn't really happy with the results. Either very expensive or hard to be sure of what I was going to get.

Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on November 01, 2013, 08:41:22 PM
Home Depot has an On-Line shopping page where you can find copper pipe and have it shipped to your home for a 2 foot piece. A 10 foot section are store pick up only.
Home Depot (http://www.homedepot.com/b/N-5yc1v/Ntk-All/Ntt-copper%2Bpipe?browsestoreoption=0)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jumper on November 01, 2013, 10:01:09 PM
If there's a Lowes where you are, they carry 5 feet 3/4 inch copper pipe (type L) in store :)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: hilltopnumbah92 on November 28, 2013, 02:52:23 AM
Hi I'm building a single cell 18650 copper mod. And my question is, with that supplied voltage would I still be able to wire up a touch switch with out the use of the regulator or variable voltage components in the circuit? I just would like to incorporate your unique touch switch circuit in this mod that I'm trying to build. Meaning just a momentary on off switch with all the other variable voltage or booster components left out of the circuit. I'm sorry for the noob  questions I'm new to the mod thing and not well versed in electronics knowledge as well. I guess I'm just looking for simplicity for now til I can get a better grip on more of the electronics side of it. Oh by the way awesome craftsmanship with all the mods on here I think this is one of the more real educational and really helpful forums I've been to so far. Well any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Aloha from hawaii...
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on November 28, 2013, 07:50:38 AM
A mechanical mod or VV mod, you will break the battery connection with a Mosfet to make a touch switch. With a single 18650 you will need a lower Vgs(th) voltage than for a series battery. Using it in a tube/copper mod you should use a P-Channel to break the battery positive unless you insert the battery with the positive facing the bottom cap. Then you can use an N-Channel Mosfet.

SEE: P-Channel Mosfet For Copper Tube Mod (http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,683.msg5252.html#msg5252)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: CraigHB on November 28, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
You just need to select the correct MOSFET.  You need one that can operate properly with the voltage of a single battery.  There's tons available like that. 
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: dancrowder on January 16, 2014, 11:05:25 AM
New to modding and have a question about this build. Beautiful job btw :rockin smiley:!!! Will this mod handle sub ohm vaping? I'm not that wise on electrical stuff but I know that if you're running a 0.4 ohm dual coil RBA with a 18650 battery, at full charge of 4.1 V you're gonna push 10.25 Amps, or a 0.2 ohm quad coil pushes 20.5 Amps. Will that switch handle it being rated at 3 Amps? It might me a stupid question (cause the obvious logic says "NO") but am I going to need a heavier amp switch?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on January 16, 2014, 11:09:58 AM
Welcome Dan to the forum.
There is no reason why it' can't handle subohms, as long as you beef up the switch rating and use capable batteries such as the Sony 30 amp ones.

Or..... use a low current switch with a capable mosfet
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: dancrowder on January 23, 2014, 11:17:27 AM
Thanks for the advice. I built this mod 2 days ago with all press on. No soldering (except the pos connecting wires) Pressed in the 510 connector, pushed on the top an bottom caps, spring inside is placed in bottom cap, button is pushed in. (Basically made a prototype to play around with) Switch is a 3A rated button horn black style switch I got from www.madvapes.com (http://www.madvapes.com). Been running it the past 2 days with a 0.4 ohm braided coil on a 2 post RBA and a 18650 1600mAh battery with no trouble at all. Massive clouds!! And surprisingly, the 510 connector part of the mod doesn't get hot at all even with prolonged / constant use. BRILLIANT IDEA FOR THIS MOD!!! Didn't wanna spend the $$ on a mech and I hate the bottom push button style. Will be working on some of the other DIY mods on here! THANK YOU AGAIN FOR POSTING THIS!!!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on January 23, 2014, 11:36:31 AM
Great Dan. It sounds awesome dude  :beer-toast:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Nickgold123 on January 24, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
I apologize in advance if this is in the wrong place, I'm new to forums.

I'm wondering if anyone has threaded copper pipe before. I've read this and that about how it's not made to be threaded blah blah, I know.  My objective is to make a copper tube mod with threaded end connections - battery end and 510 connection end.
Is there other 3/4" pipes around that are thick enough to be threaded with a 7/8 tap and die? Or is there other tap and dies that don't cut the threads as deep?

Thanks for the help
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Nickgold123 on January 24, 2014, 06:04:31 PM
Just figured out how to post pics on my phone. Here's my 2 copper mods. One switch, one no switch
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on January 24, 2014, 06:36:24 PM
Just figured out how to post pics on my phone. Here's my 2 copper mods. One switch, one no switch

Nice work Nick. They came out very well  :beer-toast:
How are you firing the NO switch one?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Nickgold123 on January 24, 2014, 06:49:07 PM
The 510 is spring loaded to the pos batt terminal
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Nickgold123 on January 24, 2014, 06:50:25 PM
Did you see the post about threading the pipes? I'm really stumped on this but I need to find a way
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on January 24, 2014, 07:42:17 PM
Did you see the post about threading the pipes? I'm really stumped on this but I need to find a way

Yes I saw it. I can't help you with actually threading copper tubing but they make copper threaded/sweat fittings and threaded brass plugs male and female

(http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/039923/039923037428sm.jpg) (http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/039923/039923301505sm.jpg)
(http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/098268/098268624960lg.jpg) (http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1349427449/POHH06-3-4-thread-font-b-copper-b-font-font-b-pipe-b-font-fittings-brass.jpg) (http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1348807159/POH06-3-4-thread-pneumatic-font-b-copper-b-font-font-b-pipe-b-font-fittings.jpg_140x140.jpg)

I also mentioned it in this thread in post: http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,162.msg7425.html#msg7425 (http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,162.msg7425.html#msg7425)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Nickgold123 on January 24, 2014, 09:36:08 PM
I'm going to pick up a few taps and dies and just keep modding till it's perfect. I'll def post pics when I'm done.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: aflex on January 28, 2014, 07:41:20 AM
I really don't how it works but had a lot of complaints with earlier ones. Looking forward to use it. Thanks for this.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: jomurp on January 28, 2014, 05:48:42 PM
I really don't how it works but had a lot of complaints with earlier ones. Looking forward to use it. Thanks for this.

???? please explain?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Razgul on March 19, 2014, 03:08:42 AM
Such a beautiful piece of work, i'm hoping to start on mine soon.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Johnrhue on March 26, 2014, 10:05:44 AM
So if I wanna be able to subohm with this mod. Let's say .3ohms. I wouldn't be able to use the 3amp switch correct?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on March 26, 2014, 10:56:15 AM
So if I wanna be able to subohm with this mod. Let's say .3ohms. I wouldn't be able to use the 3amp switch correct?

What is the voltage rating of the 3A switch?
For example: 3A @ 24V would be
6A @ 12V
12A @ 6V
18A @ 4.5V
24A @ 3V

Using a 3A @125v switch would be: (Remember this is an example and the break down is not Linear as I am implying.)
6A @ 62.5V
12A @ 31.25V
24A @ 15.625V
48A @ 7.8125V
96A @ 3.90625V


A 0.3 ohm coil @ 4.2v would be 14A - Your battery would have to be able to handle it.

It's not really linear as my example shows but if you are using a 3.7v battery with a 3A/125V switch, you should be able to handle a 0.3 ohm load.
See Craig's post HERE (http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,941.msg9342.html#msg9342)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: zander_47 on March 27, 2014, 04:48:51 AM
I feel so unoriginal... hahaha about a week ago I decided I wanted to build a mod! So I thought about it and decided copper would be best considering it conducts so well.. plus its pretty easy to work with. So after a few days of gathering supplies I thought I would look into it online and wow... I had a very similar mod in mind! Anyways, once I saw that other people had been building the same copper mod (for a few years, apparently!) I decided I would just follow the same design because a) its been tested and b) I'm new to all this and needed a bit of a place to start. So, I build my mod today. I don't have pictures right now but it all went pretty smoothly! Until the end.. when I tried to use it and got nothing -.- I have a thread posted on ECF about it,

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-mods/544810-my-first-mod-having-difficulties-please-help.html

But basically, the cap that I have my 510 heating element mounted in doesn't seem to be conducting any sort of current. I was assuming that I would be able to ground the battery to the copper tubing (via the compression spring) and that would be enough? But its definitely not working.. I did a bit of trouble shooting, and am about 90% sure that the cap is the problem.. I just can't figure out what's wrong with it! Any ideas?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on March 27, 2014, 07:05:37 AM
Any photos so we can help troubleshoot?
How did you ground the 510 connector?

To test the integrity of the ground thru the tube body, take a heavy gauge jumper, preferably 20 gauge and touch it to the bottom cap and the other end to the 510 outer base while firing.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on March 27, 2014, 07:52:10 PM
Yeah you need to post more information. Pictures of the mod and close ups of the caps and connections would be good.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on March 27, 2014, 11:33:30 PM
Any photos so we can help troubleshoot?
How did you ground the 510 connector?

To test the integrity of the ground thru the tube body, take a heavy gauge jumper, preferably 20 gauge and touch it to the bottom cap and the other end to the 510 outer base while firing.

cold solder joint  :yes"
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: zander_47 on March 27, 2014, 11:47:25 PM
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/571/a0nh.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/fva0nhj) i used this as the positive connection
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/19/l94i.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/0jl94ij) this is where the battery slides in


(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/541/n2s2.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/f1n2s2j) it looks dirty because after I pushed the 510 into the cap (it was a snug fit) I put a bit of glue on the inside to make sure it would stay sturdy long term. Then I sanded some of the copper down (for the cutout) without realizing it hadn't fully dried and the shavings stuck to the glue


(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/855/0b80.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/nr0b80j)




I hope this helps! If you would like more pictures/ different angle let me know and I can post them for you. Once again, thanks a ton for the help!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on March 27, 2014, 11:50:27 PM
try soldering the 510 connector to the cap so you will have a neg connection  :yes"
you will need to do it with a torch  :yes"
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: zander_47 on March 27, 2014, 11:53:31 PM
To test the integrity of the ground thru the tube body, take a heavy gauge jumper, preferably 20 gauge and touch it to the bottom cap and the other end to the 510 outer base while firing.

I did this, and it fires nicely! i used alligator clips to connect the two ends, but when I take the clip off of the 510 and place it on the copper cap that its mounted in, it no longer fires. I also thought to myself that perhaps i had blocked the 510 from touching the cap with the glue I used, so I put a big glob of solder connecting the side of the copper cap to the 510... if I connect from the body to the solder glob it fires, but if I connect from the body to the copper cap just next to the solder, it no longer fires.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on March 27, 2014, 11:56:08 PM
yes, that makes sense try reading my last post above  :yes" and best of luck  ;cheers;
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: zander_47 on March 27, 2014, 11:57:20 PM
try soldering the 510 connector to the cap so you will have a neg connection  :yes"
you will need to do it with a torch  :yes"

I tried this, but I didn't use a torch because I didn't want to damage the 510. Would it be ok to use a torch?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on March 28, 2014, 12:26:53 AM
I tried this, but I didn't use a torch because I didn't want to damage the 510. Would it be ok to use a torch?

Remove the center pin and insulator and solder the 510 to the cap with a torch then after cooling replace the insulator and center pin this will solve all of the problem  :yes"
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: zander_47 on March 28, 2014, 05:42:42 AM
Whoops.. I got impatient and didn't take out the center pin or anything. Hahaha but anyways...
SUCCESS! I'm not sure what exactly did it.. but I took a lot of it apart, changed all the wires from 22 gauge to 18 gauge, put a new switch on (the contacts on the original broke when I took it apart) took the 510 out of the cap, cleaned everything with steel wool and re-mounted it with flux, solder, and a blowtorch (before I read your post about taking out the center pin.. but it still works great)! Then I used flux to clean the cap up nicely, along with where it meets the body (and inside the body a bit as well. I read it helps prevent oxidation?), and I insulated the contact points on the switch with electrical tape. Thank you very much for all the advice, it definitely helped! Now I just need to cut a T in the bottom of the body and put a screw in the cap with the compression spring so it holds in place nicely! For now though, I'm quite happy with the way it turned out!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on March 28, 2014, 10:53:33 AM
Whoops.. I got impatient and didn't take out the center pin or anything. Hahaha but anyways...
SUCCESS! I'm not sure what exactly did it.. but I took a lot of it apart, changed all the wires from 22 gauge to 18 gauge, put a new switch on (the contacts on the original broke when I took it apart) took the 510 out of the cap, cleaned everything with steel wool and re-mounted it with flux, solder, and a blowtorch (before I read your post about taking out the center pin.. but it still works great)! Then I used flux to clean the cap up nicely, along with where it meets the body (and inside the body a bit as well. I read it helps prevent oxidation?), and I insulated the contact points on the switch with electrical tape. Thank you very much for all the advice, it definitely helped! Now I just need to cut a T in the bottom of the body and put a screw in the cap with the compression spring so it holds in place nicely! For now though, I'm quite happy with the way it turned out!

Congratulations! You are welcome! Enjoy your new vape!  ;cheers;
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: zander_47 on March 29, 2014, 02:10:26 AM
Darn.. well I was enjoying it quite thoroughly! But then something bad happened. Hahaha the center pin fell out of the 510! How might I go about putting it back in?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on March 29, 2014, 09:53:03 AM
Pull the silicon grommet out of the 510 connector body and make sure it's not ripped or cut in any way.  I'm assuming your solder joint broke on the center post..  What you  need to do is reinsert the silicon grommet into the 510 body first, use a little vg or something to lube the grommet to prevent tearing. Then push the positive wire through the bottom of the connector. solder the center post back on, make sure you don't glob too much solder on it or it will not pass through the grommet easily and you'll end up tearing it. Once you've soldered he center post back on just push it gently through the silicon grommet until it seats normally.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Phestr on March 29, 2014, 12:05:39 PM
 :rockin smiley: I love this forum.  You guys always have so much patience.  Zander, you're in good hands.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: zander_47 on March 29, 2014, 02:57:54 PM
:rockin smiley: I love this forum.  You guys always have so much patience.  Zander, you're in good hands.


Seriously, this place is awesome. Unbelievably helpful for a beginner like me!


But Learfx, what if the grommet is torn?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on March 29, 2014, 03:18:37 PM
Then you're screwed....  :)   You're going to have to get the grommet out of another 510 connector or you could try to use the grommet out of a broken mod, old carto, atty or some other cartridge... you could try to make something out of another material but I've not went that rout personally... You should probably order some 510 connectors from somewhere like madvapes... It would be safer that way.  If you try to use a torn one then you risk the mod shorting the battery out or something more dangerous. It would be nice to find someone that sold just the grommets.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Nickgold123 on March 29, 2014, 04:31:46 PM
For shits and giggles, that's the new and improved "Compressor". Barely bigger than the 650 battery and no screws! :-D
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on March 29, 2014, 04:36:54 PM
You can get replacements as mentioned HERE (http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,988.msg9980.html#msg9980)

Or make your own as mentioned HERE (http://breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,988.msg10329.html#msg10329)

I've trimmed down these insulators from an old carto shown in the photo:

(http://breaktru.com/ecig/insulator.jpg)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: zander_47 on March 30, 2014, 02:55:56 AM
I ended up pulling one out of an old atomizer I had! Had to trim it a bit, then glue it in place with some hot glue... I actually just filled the inside of the 510 with glue (where its wired) and it works nicely! Not wiggling around or anything, so it seems to have done the trick until I can order some of the replacements
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: David-Bowser on May 30, 2014, 06:25:08 PM
OK I thought I would post my picture of the Copper mod I made.  It is strictly a Mech mod as I do not know enough about electronics to mess with them.  The shortest piece of Copper pipe in my area was a 4 footer.  I wasted (more or less) of about 3 inches playing around with it.  I built this before joining this group  and it was strictly by the seat of my pants.  So I have enough to make a few more  LOL.

It is a 18650  battery job,  for the spacer between the battery and switch I used a piece of 3/4 inch dowel about 1/2 inch thick.  Since it was loose I wrapped it with duct tape about 2 1/2 times then supper glued it in place.  For the battery connector I used a T-Nut for the battery to touch with a brass bolt on the top going down through and the wire wrapped around it to the switch.  Yes the switch is a plastic horn button switch I had on hand.  It is a tight fit in the hole I drilled with no wiggle.  If it wiggled I would have used an Epoxy glue glob to mount it.  It will be a throw away mod one of these days.   I now know about small 3amp switches  So that will be next.

The top cap has a pressed in and super glued 510 connector, I did not know about how to solder it in.  Next time though.. I was lucky the glue did not insulate the connector.  The bottom cap also has the spring super glued in place,  again I was lucky  Both the top and botton caps fit tight enough they will not come off (YET).  I left about a 1/4 inch space under the bottom of the battery so the spring did not crush. 

It works with both flat top and button top batteries and hits hard.  I pictured it with my Helios vaping but the backdrop did not show it.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: drmarble on May 30, 2014, 10:03:03 PM
You can use the grommet from a pro-tank head to replace the grommet in most 510 connectors. Those are cheap. A used one can probably be obtained for free.  I've found that the silicone ones slide in just fine and last quite a while. I've tested for 2 months.
Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Rigure on June 30, 2014, 08:43:01 PM
Hi guys...or gals as the case may be. New to the forum...at least postingwise. Thanks breaktru for giving me all the information you have on how and what to do to make a functional copper pipe mod. I wanted to show off my firt piece. Its a ego style battery useing 1/2" copper type L pipe. ... why you as would ANYONE want an     ego style mod...easy answer... my wife does. Lol. Anyway, I electro eteched it with her nickname and cute litle heart. It will use the ego pcb and the button. I havent drilled it out for the pb yet and I still hhave alot of polishing to do but here it is. Thanks again.(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg574/michaelrigure/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140630_182933_zpsa5052b3f.jpg) (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/michaelrigure/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140630_182933_zpsa5052b3f.jpg.html)
(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg574/michaelrigure/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140630_183016_zpsf3b1cfbd.jpg) (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/michaelrigure/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140630_183016_zpsf3b1cfbd.jpg.html)

Allmot forgot.im using Fat Daddys 510 connecter. It was the right dize without the 22mm locking ring.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Learfx on July 01, 2014, 08:28:59 AM
Nice  :)  What did you use on the top for the 510 connection? I can't make it out..  It's cool to see the electro etching.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Rigure on July 01, 2014, 08:47:52 AM
Nice  :)  What did you use on the top for the 510 connection? I can't make it out..  It's cool to see the electro etching.  :thumbsup:
I used the 510 connector from Fat Daddys Vapes. 14 mm with ajustable contacts. It comes at 14 mm but he sends a ring that locks in for 22mm mods. Its a nice piece of work. I recomend it for modding.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on July 01, 2014, 10:34:59 AM
Congrats on your first mod Rigure and thanks for posting.
Luv the etching. Looks great.  :rockin smiley:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: carlsoti on December 16, 2014, 06:04:02 PM
awesome copper mods!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Stevo2569 on December 23, 2014, 01:04:51 PM
Lots of shinny coolness. Nice work guys. Heres my take on copper. Parallel dual bat fused and mosfeted with copper plumeveil. Cheers and Happy Holidays.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on December 23, 2014, 01:23:06 PM
I can surely say that this is a truly unique design.
Looks like a two hander.
Congrats
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Stevo2569 on December 23, 2014, 02:23:37 PM
Thanks Break, Guess you could use 2 hands. LOL. It actually fits snug around my finger base leaving them free to hold other things (like juice or whatever). Almost a hands free design.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on December 23, 2014, 03:33:06 PM
What size batts?
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Stevo2569 on December 23, 2014, 04:08:27 PM
18650. 3/4 pipe. Similar connections as your in your OP. Except I thought of it 3 yrs after you and I used wood.  :laughing2: Added pic for size comparison.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Haileah on December 23, 2014, 05:24:10 PM
Lots of shinny coolness. Nice work guys. Heres my take on copper. Parallel dual bat fused and mosfeted with copper plumeveil. Cheers and Happy Holidays.

Very cool  8)
Nicely done steampunk look
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Stevo2569 on December 23, 2014, 07:31:32 PM
Thanks Haileah. Yeh I know its kinda hipster but I like it so screw it .  I like to think of it as more medieval than steampunk. Plus its very ergonomic and VAPES LIKE A CHAMMMMP! Now if I could only figure out what size lipos will fit in this 1591BTRD I'd be set on this NaRa20A build.  raged:
Oh BTW If you hot glue the pipe joints instead of soldering them cuz its a prototype and you want to be able to disassemble it easier it will quit firing at about 42 degrees F cuz it loses its ground through the casing.  :laughing:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on December 23, 2014, 09:46:39 PM
Lots of shinny coolness. Nice work guys. Heres my take on copper. Parallel dual bat fused and mosfeted with copper plumeveil. Cheers and Happy Holidays.

Pretty Cool I like the chastity belt idea. She's a real SteamPunk. Good Job!  :beer-toast:
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Nickgold123 on December 23, 2014, 11:47:03 PM
I stepped up my game and bought a metal lathe. All C101 pure (99.99%) copper top to bottom, pins and all. Exactly everything I ever wanted out of a mechanical mod (besides lightweight. Lol)
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: fsors on December 23, 2014, 11:50:46 PM
I stepped up my game and bought a metal lathe. All C101 pure (99.99%) copper top to bottom, pins and all. Exactly everything I ever wanted out of a mechanical mod (besides lightweight. Lol)

nice! 24mm diameter? like the knurles too! can we see your top cap and switch?
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Post by: Stevo2569 on December 23, 2014, 11:52:34 PM
Nice work. Lathe must be awesome to have. And yeah the k-nurls are sweet.
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on December 24, 2014, 07:04:34 AM
I stepped up my game and bought a metal lathe. All C101 pure (99.99%) copper top to bottom, pins and all. Exactly everything I ever wanted out of a mechanical mod (besides lightweight. Lol)

Nice job Nick. Luv the knurls too
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Stevo2569 on December 24, 2014, 09:04:35 AM
Pretty Cool I like the chastity belt idea. She's a real SteamPunk. Good Job!  :beer-toast:

Oh believe me she's no virgin. Been molesting her for several weeks.  ;hubba; Thnx
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Nickgold123 on December 24, 2014, 07:33:01 PM
Thanks! Yea it turned out pretty cool. I don't know how to attatch more than one pic so I'll just do one at a time
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Post by: Nickgold123 on December 24, 2014, 07:35:35 PM
The switch
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Post by: Nickgold123 on December 24, 2014, 07:37:01 PM
Button
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Post by: Nickgold123 on December 24, 2014, 07:39:16 PM
One more for good measure
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Post by: fsors on December 24, 2014, 07:39:51 PM
Thanks! Yea it turned out pretty cool. I don't know how to attatch more than one pic so I'll just do one at a time

Nice! Good job with the lathe. I own two lathes myself. Where did you put the vents? Happy Holidays!!
Title: Re: Copper Tube Mods - A 3.7v and a V.V.
Post by: Breaktru on December 24, 2014, 08:57:21 PM
Excellent work  :rockin smiley:
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Post by: Nickgold123 on December 24, 2014, 09:23:13 PM
Ty sir.
And I never got around to drilling vent holes. Lol
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Post by: fsors on December 25, 2014, 12:47:58 AM
Ty sir.
And I never got around to drilling vent holes. Lol

You are welcome. I think you have made a beautiful mod there but I want you to be safe with it too.   ;cheers;