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Possible board
« on: April 09, 2015, 04:29:24 AM »
I was wondering if the great minds could come up with something for this board for our application: PT7746N. It says to be used for only pt7770 board, but I am wondering... Just for starters the input voltage is from 3 to 5.5 volts and 32amps of current.

Honestly the whole point I was looking for a boost module to run off a single batt rather than dual batts.

Any hope?
« Last Edit: April 09, 2015, 04:36:08 AM by eveshka »

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Re: Possible board
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2015, 03:07:22 PM »
The data sheet says it's not a stand alone unit so it requires the other regulator to work.  I tried looking it up, but the documentation is sketchy.  In any case, its a lot of electronics to fit in a small box. 

The problem with high power boosters in general is they require large input currents which means big unwieldy components for the converter.  There's also more stability issues for boost versus step-down since there's an extra pole (a mathematical instability) in the feedback network.  It's more work from a design standpoint and there's not much demand so you don't see high output boost modules.

DC voltage boosting is not something done much in the commercial world.  Typically voltage has to step down from a 12V DC rail for high power stuff.  That being the case, you probably will not ever find a small boost module able to put out currents upwards of 20A.  It would be possible to design one with one of the available boost controller chips out there but it does require an amount of expertise in electronics design.

It's just more practical for high power outputs to use a battery of series cells and step down voltage rather than boosting voltage with a battery of parallel cells.  The one big advantage for parallel cells is the ability to use USB charging, but it's not that big of a deal to use a balance charge connector and balance charger in lieu of a USB connector and USB power supply.  That's of course if you want to be able to charge without removing cells from the enclosure.

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Re: Possible board
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2015, 02:28:40 PM »
The one big advantage for parallel cells is the ability to use USB charging, but it's not that big of a deal to use a balance charge connector and balance charger in lieu of a USB connector and USB power supply.  That's of course if you want to be able to charge without removing cells from the enclosure.

a 2-cell battery charger is not the same with a balance charger am i right Craig? i am wondering how to build a balance charger and found this 2-cell charge management controller (http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?product=MCP73213).

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Re: Possible board
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2015, 02:44:08 AM »
The controller chip you linked to is a pack charger, not a balance charger.  It is possible to charge Li-Ion cells in a series pack using just the pack's positive and negative connection, but it's not the best way to charge them.  The reason is that cells always vary to some extent even for cells off the same production line.  What happens is one cell charges faster causing some mismatch in terminal voltage.  The cell that ends up at the higher voltage will wear faster causing the mismatch to increase every charge cycle.  It is possible for the mismatch to become severe enough to result in a safety issue.  At the least it causes premature wear.

You can make a balance charger for two cells in series with two single cell chargers and a 9V supply.  What you do is use a virtual ground on the high side of the lower cell for the upper cell charger.  In effect you're putting the two single cell chargers in series.

There are some inexpensive balance chargers you can find, I've linked to them before in the forum here.  In that case if you want to charge cells without removing them you simply use a 3 pole connector for two cells in series.  A three pin JST-XH connector can do the job well enough or even a 1/8" stereo jack.


« Last Edit: April 15, 2015, 03:26:52 AM by CraigHB »

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Re: Possible board
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2015, 05:39:24 AM »
YiHi sell a balance charge board which takes a 9V input. http://www.yihiecigar.com/products_info/9V-balance-charging-board-287874.html

I'd be very wary of using a stereo jack, they can short the contacts as you insert/remove the plug.

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Re: Possible board
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2015, 01:45:29 AM »
not interested with another external module, i want to embed the balance charger circuit on my series setup. i have those YiHi balance charger and their inductor is too biggg lol. should be able to find flatter SMT inductor if i were to build my own balance charger.

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